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post #11 of 27 Old 11-05-2010, 10:46 AM
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We buy ours at the local co-op. The initial application will require quite a bit - the bag will tell you square footage. We reapply once a year.

The oil based products are not a good idea if you let the horses roll in the footing. With the calcium chloride, it does draw the moisture out of the air but after a hard freeze, you will need to work the footing to redistribute the moisture.
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post #12 of 27 Old 11-07-2010, 01:56 AM
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They are tough to design for a ring and not end up with wet spots and dry spots. Add that the OP is in Canada so it would have to be a system that is easily drained completely.
Curious why you think that just because the OP is from Canada that they have to have an easily drained system?
They would just have to ensure that the lines are insulated properly.

We use calcium Chloride, works great only have to do it once a year....and our arena gets used daily many times a day.

I contacted a local company that spreads the stuff on gravel roads in the area.....they just drive right in w their truck and spread the stuff on for me. Works great.

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Curious why you think that just because the OP is from Canada that they have to have an easily drained system?
They would just have to ensure that the lines are insulated properly.


Insulation keeps in or out heat/cold for a short time. It does not make a permanent barrier against the cold.

Think how cold you get when you are standing around outside during cold times even though you have your nice warm boots and winter coat on.


Water in pipes does not produce any warmth. It is whatever temperature it came out of the ground at (40degF during the really cold times). Insulation will slow the freezing process some but it certainly will not stop it.

When water freezes it expands. That expanding breaks pipes.

Heat tape can be added under the insulation, and this will prevent the pipes from freezing. But there is a certain amount of risk to it and it can get costly to run in large quantities.

When Tempest suggested a sprinkler system I thought she meant an over head sprinkler system since she said no puddles, etc which is why I mentioned draining pipes. She obviously meant a lawn sprinkler, which always seem to leave a wet spot where the sprinkler was located.
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Always...thanks I'm well aware of what happens to water in winter and how expands, but thanks for the wondeful science lesson.
Heat trace tapes are the norm in any farm situation when water is invloved, and it isn't the headache you may think.
They are a life saver!
Also you wouldn't be watering the arena w a sprinkler in or even late fall, as it would just freeze ontop of your footing.
As for a sprinkler leaving puddles as long as you're working your footing w diamond harrows, or a track conditioner you will spread the moisture around enough that that won't be an issue.
Any water left in a sprinkler system will not expand ebough to cause damage. Also like I say they wouldn't be usuing the system during the times of the year where the water on the footing would freeze, so the risk of the lines breaking would be even lessened.
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Around here, winter is the time that the indoor arena REALLY needs dust control so I never would have guessed that the question only applied to months when things were not freezing.

Heat tape is a great thing. I agree. It is not something that the average person can install and maintain in the quantities needed for an over head sprinkler system. The most common way to deal with large quantities of piping in an unheated area that are going to be used sporadically is to install them so they can be easily drained.

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Any water left in a sprinkler system will not expand ebough to cause damage.

This is incorrect to make as a blanket statement.
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Around here, winter is the time that the indoor arena REALLY needs dust control so I never would have guessed that the question only applied to months when things were not freezing.

Heat tape is a great thing. I agree. It is not something that the average person can install and maintain in the quantities needed for an over head sprinkler system. The most common way to deal with large quantities of piping in an unheated area that are going to be used sporadically is to install them so they can be easily drained.


This is incorrect to make as a blanket statement.
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Well when you're dealing w temps in of -30...any amount of water anywhere freezes pretty much instantaneously.
So watering an arena in mid winter wouldn't be productive at all.

We installed all our heat trace tapes on our outside water lines by ourselves. As long as you have basic knowledge of electrical and plumbing...it isnt that hard. And it wouldn't work in winter anyway, as the moisture on the outside of the sprinkler head it self would freeze up, as there is no way to protect that from exposure....thats another reason why using it in winter wouldnt be ideal in cold temperatures.

I know 3 other barns that have sprinkler systems in thier arenas, and they have never had issues with them bursting or cracking from any water left in the lines.......and yes I know they don't drain them specifically or blow the lines out, as I asked.
We were thinking of adding a sprinkler system to our arena, but when I found out the cost, and the cost of having the calcium put down, I decided for the latter....
As w the calcium its a one shot deal, opposed to w water you'll be doing it several times a year.

We do it late fall....that way it has its best effect over winter (which yes makes the footing dry) and then we are good till the following fall.
We may have to water it once during the summer, but usually not as we ride outside in summer for the most part.

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What kind of footing do you have in your arena? We have Stone Dust in our indoor and it gets really dusty because its completely inclosed but we spread Magnesuim Chloride on it and it works wonders. It draws the moisture out of the air and keeps the ground moist, it lasts for awhile too. You can see the moisture forming in a matter of minutes. Heres a link to the stuff we use. MAGŪ Care and Feeding for Dust Control, horse rings, equestrians, indoor arenas, magnesium chloride

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Thanks to everyone for their input. I think I am going to try Calcium Chloride, just need to figure out where to get it from around here. We can still water with a garden sprinkler in the winter, but it's just a pain in the butt and would love to avoid it as much as possible!

We would loooove an overhead sprinkler system somewhere down the line but we aren't ready for that yet.

Thanks again everyone!
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hrsrdr,did you find out what your arena was using for dust control?
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post #20 of 27 Old 11-17-2011, 02:57 AM
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We used heat wires on all our pipes last year and apparently they are good untill -40C.

Absolutly No electrical knowlege required simply wrap around pipe in spiral shape and plug the other end in!

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