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post #11 of 26 Old 06-29-2009, 10:16 AM
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Tell her your not set up for this kind of care for this horse...give her a 30 day notice and end it with that. I dont think you will get money back for all the extra's you bought.
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post #12 of 26 Old 06-29-2009, 10:31 AM
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There is this OTTB boarded at my facility. He has been a HARD keeper and his owner was not prepared to take care of him at all so she tried to sell him. She got ripped off and wanted way to much for him. Well he bruised his foot really bad and things just went down hill from there. He could hardly walk and just stood in the pasture looking miserable. He dropped weight soo fast and then he started swelling up all over the place from just standing there. He knocked himself in the eye so he had to have treatment there. She wanted to send him back to the organization she got him from but they are in Ohio and she couldn't afford to ship him back and of course they won't foot the bill so we have been trying to find him a home here.

Because this horse was soo pitiful, myself and other boarders really pitched in and bought him extra hay, feed and amplify to get his weight up. Another boarder bought him ulcer medication to hopefully help him keep weight on. Another boarder bought BOA boots so that he could get turn out and be able to walk around comfortably. I offered to feed him three times a day which I don't normally do. I also got him a joint supplement to help him too so that we can make him well enough to find someone to take him. Because the way he was, a slaughter house wouldn't even take him.

Well now he's gotten better, still underweight, but he is ready to do very very light riding.. well another boarder and I finally found someone that may be interested in taking him as a companion animal for their other horse and maybe light trail riding for her husband which would be PERFECT. Well I get at email from the owner asking for information about the lady and she added "I hope she doesn't think I'm just going to give him away!".

SO now I'm like "uhhhhhhhh WTF"? Everyone despises this lady and we came together to provide for the HORSE not for her. What should I do?
Should I ask her to pay us back?
Are you the BO or simply a boarder?

Is your facility self care or full care?
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post #13 of 26 Old 06-29-2009, 01:14 PM
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wow you sound like you have your hands full- there have been lots of ideas that sound great here... I would say that giving her notice and a "bill" as to what was spent would be a good idea. If she chooses not to pay it- you have it all in writing and it shows that you tried. I just have to say I am glad that you have that clause in your boarders agreement- smart! :) Keep us posted and let us know how it goes- I hope that she lets the person you like have the horse since that will be a great home!

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post #14 of 26 Old 06-29-2009, 01:46 PM
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There is this OTTB boarded at my facility. He has been a HARD keeper and his owner was not prepared to take care of him at all so she tried to sell him. She got ripped off and wanted way to much for him. Well he bruised his foot really bad and things just went down hill from there. He could hardly walk and just stood in the pasture looking miserable. He dropped weight soo fast and then he started swelling up all over the place from just standing there. He knocked himself in the eye so he had to have treatment there. She wanted to send him back to the organization she got him from but they are in Ohio and she couldn't afford to ship him back and of course they won't foot the bill so we have been trying to find him a home here.

Because this horse was soo pitiful, myself and other boarders really pitched in and bought him extra hay, feed and amplify to get his weight up. Another boarder bought him ulcer medication to hopefully help him keep weight on. Another boarder bought BOA boots so that he could get turn out and be able to walk around comfortably. I offered to feed him three times a day which I don't normally do. I also got him a joint supplement to help him too so that we can make him well enough to find someone to take him. Because the way he was, a slaughter house wouldn't even take him.

Well now he's gotten better, still underweight, but he is ready to do very very light riding.. well another boarder and I finally found someone that may be interested in taking him as a companion animal for their other horse and maybe light trail riding for her husband which would be PERFECT. Well I get at email from the owner asking for information about the lady and she added "I hope she doesn't think I'm just going to give him away!".

SO now I'm like "uhhhhhhhh WTF"? Everyone despises this lady and we came together to provide for the HORSE not for her. What should I do?
Should I ask her to pay us back?

If you originally did it under a voluntary act and the woman knew that, then no, I don't think you should be ask her to pay you back. If you did it without the owne'rs knowledge again, you don't have the right to ask for it to be paid back. But if you were doing it to help the owner out and she asked for that help, yes, you have the right to claim that money back.

Honestly though, what did you expect to happen? I could tell from reading the first few paragraphs. You guys were going to get this horse back into prime condition and she was either going to keep the horse until she screwed it up again OR she was going to sell it for a crap load of money and not even recognize you.

People like her aren't thankful for help they get. You guys helped the horse out and may just have to be happy for that.
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post #15 of 26 Old 06-29-2009, 02:05 PM
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Unless she agreed to pay you for these extras, I don't see how you'd be able to get her to pay you back. Remember, you did this for the horse, not her. Personally, I think I'd give her notice to leave within 30 days, or whatever your contract allows. I would tell the horse owner that you will no longer do the 3 times daily feeds without being reimbursed for it. I would give her written notice of this change. You cannot change her behavior but you don't have to witness it.
Exactly..spot on.


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I do have a Standard of Care clause in my contract saying that I will provide all necessary care at their expense.
The problem with this clause is that if you personally upped this standard of care without informing her and getting her consent then you have no contract. There is no meeting of the minds as all additions to an original contract has to be agreed to by all parties.
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post #16 of 26 Old 06-29-2009, 02:26 PM
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The problem with this clause is that if you personally upped this standard of care without informing her and getting her consent then you have no contract. There is no meeting of the minds as all additions to an original contract has to be agreed to by all parties.
Exactly.

Did you talk to her about all this stuff you were doing for the horse? What did she say?
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post #17 of 26 Old 06-29-2009, 07:52 PM
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I'd offer an ultimatum... either give us the horse or pay us back, or you won't be able to board here. Simple as that. I really hate people like this...
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post #18 of 26 Old 06-30-2009, 11:12 PM
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I don't know if anyone has said this but..I've seen situations where, when an owner was not properly caring for their horse, the barn owner took possession of the horse. I don't know much about this or if it's legal, but maybe that's an option..
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post #19 of 26 Old 07-04-2009, 01:58 AM Thread Starter
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We exchanged several emails talking about the donation of the horse. I sent an email to my boarders and students INCLUDING her that basically stated "If {boarder} is willing to donate horse we can donate our time/effort/$$ to make this horse well enough to find him a home". She NEVER said "You have it wrong, I'm not donating the horse" she accepted.

UPDATE:

She came and got her horse and left. I was there, and I told her "You can't leave until your bill is paid". She left anyway and I called the sheriff. The deputy was a ****** and acted like he knew what he was talking about but didn't know crap about the horse world. I sent her an email with her invoice attached. I told her she can pay this bill or I will take her to small claims and not only will she have to pay court costs but I will charge her for all of the other **** I did for her horse like take him to the vet and hold her dang horse for the farrier.

I agree its kind of a shaky case but she signed a standard of care and she didn't abide by it. He is a HIGH maintenance horse and she only came out once a month. I have hundreds of emails proving services and her reluctance to take care of her horse including an email about his eye when he poked it. She didn't want to call the vet, but I INSISTED and if I didn't he would've lost his eye.. and that's not just me saying so.. the vet said it. I also have statements from boarders who witnessed her behavior and the services provided.

I feel so bad about that he is back with her....This horse is going to suffer.

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post #20 of 26 Old 07-04-2009, 02:04 PM
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Do you have something written up in the contract that she signed that says you can keep her horse if the bill isn't paid? If not, you can't stop her from taking it.

Our boarding contract states that if the board goes past three months then the horse becomes property of the facility and will be sold to cover the cost of the board.

I don't see how you can claim any of the extras you and the other boarders did as a means of generosity towards the horse.
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