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    11-15-2011, 08:58 PM
  #51
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray MacDonald    
Yeah I was thinking bagged shavings as that's what we only have here. If not I will build a covered and paved area.
You can't buy them in bulk at all?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jumpingrules92    
What about a cross tie/tacking up area? :)
For a barn the size that Ray is wanting, a cross tie/tacking up area would have to be fairly large, to accomodate all the clients. It would be wasted space and money.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray MacDonald    
I was thinking just having one cross tie beside each stall. Would people rather have two?
Cross ties at the stall make the most sense. One cross tie as in one rope/chain and the horse stands across the aisle, or a two cross ties, as in one on either side of the aisle, with the horse standing in the middle of the aisle?

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Originally Posted by Ray MacDonald    
I want the hay/shaving in the same barn so I wont have to go trudging through rain or snow to get it.
What about incorporating this into the design of your building? Being able to store so many bags and bales of shavings, and then have easy access from a main door, so that you can use a tractor and bucket (or a side by side Gator type machine) to restock. It does mean a fair bit of extra work having to restock it all the time...I personally would rather a hay loft, as it is so much easier to drop a few bales down when you need them.

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Originally Posted by franknbeans    

Last winter I boarded at a fairly new place-shaped like a "t" Pretty nice layout, actually. The indoor is the stem of the "T". At the top, where they come together in the middle is the main entrance (a people entrance, really), and as you walk in,immediately on the left is the bathroom, down a short hall, the tack room is on the right (with access to main aisle as well as the hall the door is in for convenience). On the left is the h/c wash stall (backs up plumbing to the bathroom, and straight ahead is a double gate to the indoor (which also has a garage door for the cold winter days/nights to keep the barn warmer. Stalls run both sides of the center entrance, on both sides of a double wide aisle, with a garage door at each end for ventilation, as well as another grooming area at each end. THe office is in the house., Feed is at one end of the T, and meds are in a fridge in the tack room, which is heated and cooled. Having the indoor as the stem of the "t" allows access from all 4 sides, 3 to the outside with sliding doors. They usually don't use but 2 of them, but they are there, in case.
Another was shaped like a "U", with the indoor at the bottom of the "U" and the stalls down each side.

Personally, I would also like to see more central access to the arena. I hate having to interupt so many other people to get to the ring if I am all the way at the far end.
I agree. See more details below.

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Originally Posted by Ray MacDonald    
I took out the tack room and decided to just have them along the walls. As well as two feeding spots.
A problem with having tack lockers against a wall that is open to an aisle is people leaving their lockers open, and letting their stuff be EVERYWHERE. Better to have the lockers in a room.

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Originally Posted by RitzieAnn    
What if you put the bathroom, the office and tack room all along the arena wall? None of those need windows, and that would open up a lot of space to move the stalls over there.
This would have to depend on what kind of arena footing you have. Some are MUCH more dusty then others, and clients would most likely not want dust all over their tack and equipment, and you wouldn't want dust getting into your computer stuff.


I also think you would be better off with a "T" shaped building, with the arena as the bottom stick of the 'T''. This way, all your stalls can have windows, for better ventilation and light AND it gives you the opportunity to have more light and ventilation for your arena....by having large rolling windows in the arena. That way on spring and fall days when it is mucky out, but still nice, you can have nice fresh air, and it isn't so bad having to ride inside (yet again) after a long Canadian winter.


You can either put a large rolling door across from the arena, or put your tackroom directly across from it, with the bathroom, office and feedroom on each side, split up evenly, or put washstalls and the bathroom and office there, and place the feedroom on one end and split the tackstalls into two--one for each end.

Another choice would be to make the barn like a 't' (pretend its a straight up-down stick) and have the aena as the large part, and then put the office, bathroom, tackroom and feedroom and the top bit of the stick.
(Example: 20 stall center isle horse barn plans from Ocala Florida custom builder - Just put the arena entrance by the washstalls)

Bathroom should not be through the office, but have its own entrance. Although a washer and dryer at the barn would be nice, some people can abuse the free washing, and use up extra water. Unless you are on well, that water gets charged to you, and if you are on well, you don't want the extra water gone for two barely dirty saddle pads.


As for a tack room, why not make enough room for the permanent lockers, but then have some leftover room for some tack trunks, for those who have them? Then you satisfy both sides, without cluttering up the aisleways.

With the "T/t" design, you get two large doors at either end of the aisle, giving it easy access for getting horses in and out, as well as having the capability of having a tractor get into the aisle for those heavy muck out days. Its so much easier to through it all into a bucket (or custom bucket/rack like my barn has) and go dump it all at once, then having to make 32+ trips to the manure pile.
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    11-17-2011, 05:11 PM
  #52
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Saddle and bridle are just on a saddle rack and bridle rack in the tack room-not locked in any type of locker, altho some had tall deep lockers for everything.

Locking saddle rack:
http://www.atafa.com/products/Saddle-Rack-Locking-English-
511049.html
I never did get one, so have no idea if they work or if they fit all saddles....

Trusses are your roof system. The beams that support it. There are many types, but as far as I know, the newer laminated truss sustems allow for bigger span, but are expensive. You are not unlimited as to how much distance you can span without support, which is a key factor in planning an indoor, unless, of course you want to add pole bending to your activities......

As far as the smooth concrete-it gets slippery in the winter. It needs to be brushed concrete, not smooth. Brushed is finished with a broom....and roughened a bit. We have smooth at the barn I have in NY. THe ONLY thing my friend is sorry for when she built her barn. Makes it difficult when the horses come in with snowballs in their feet.

If you are doing a wash stall-make sure you put a clean out in the drain. This is a place a few feet downline from the actual drain itself, where you can clean out the pipe. They are notorious for getting clogged.

Blanket hangers:
Just one kind-there are several.

Wall Mount Stable Blanket Rack CMW, INC (Equine - Stable Equipment Supplies - Saddle Tack Racks)

The locks are really cool! I have never seen something like that before.
Ahaha nah don't think I want permenant pole bending :)
I'll have to look up what they both look like... I just thought everyone had smooth concrete. And here in Canada.... We get a lot of snow LOL
What is a clean out?
Oh! I've seen them before.
     
    11-17-2011, 06:24 PM
  #53
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rowzy    
Very interesting. I just want to say I wish I could have designed my own barn. It is a 4 stall barn with a wash rack, tack room and tractor garage which is great BUT the floor slopes away from the only drain in the barn.

Have you considered doing a design which has stalls on either side of the arena? The barn I take lessons at is like that and its super nice. The two sides of the barn makes it so that it is less busy in either of the central isle ways. They use stalls as tack rooms, which is what I have seen for the most part around here.

Also, I have a loft which also seems fairly common around here, although I've seen REALLY big barns that have separate hay storage. I think it is safer for separate hay storage though.

Also, are you wanting runs attached to your stalls? With your current design only a couple of the stalls would be able to have runs. Which might be enough, it just depends on what you want to offer.
That sucks about the drain, does the water pool?
My very first drawing (The one that is not on here) was like that.
Yeah, lofts are common around here too.
I was thinking about having runs.
     
    11-17-2011, 06:43 PM
  #54
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by VelvetsAB    
You can't buy them in bulk at all?
Nope. All in bags.


For a barn the size that Ray is wanting, a cross tie/tacking up area would have to be fairly large, to accomodate all the clients. It would be wasted space and money.
Yeah, not sure if I can afford any of the barns I designed LOL


Cross ties at the stall make the most sense. One cross tie as in one rope/chain and the horse stands across the aisle, or a two cross ties, as in one on either side of the aisle, with the horse standing in the middle of the aisle?
Yes, I think I will go with having two.


What about incorporating this into the design of your building? Being able to store so many bags and bales of shavings, and then have easy access from a main door, so that you can use a tractor and bucket (or a side by side Gator type machine) to restock. It does mean a fair bit of extra work having to restock it all the time...I personally would rather a hay loft, as it is so much easier to drop a few bales down when you need them.
It is way easier! But a lot of people seem to rather have a separate barn for it all.


I agree. See more details below.



A problem with having tack lockers against a wall that is open to an aisle is people leaving their lockers open, and letting their stuff be EVERYWHERE. Better to have the lockers in a room.
Oh... yeah didn't think of that.


This would have to depend on what kind of arena footing you have. Some are MUCH more dusty then others, and clients would most likely not want dust all over their tack and equipment, and you wouldn't want dust getting into your computer stuff.


I also think you would be better off with a "T" shaped building, with the arena as the bottom stick of the 'T''. This way, all your stalls can have windows, for better ventilation and light AND it gives you the opportunity to have more light and ventilation for your arena....by having large rolling windows in the arena. That way on spring and fall days when it is mucky out, but still nice, you can have nice fresh air, and it isn't so bad having to ride inside (yet again) after a long Canadian winter.
Light and ventilation sounds good! I drew a new barn that is kind of like that. But it is more of a l shape. I'll try to scan it tonight.

You can either put a large rolling door across from the arena, or put your tackroom directly across from it, with the bathroom, office and feedroom on each side, split up evenly, or put washstalls and the bathroom and office there, and place the feedroom on one end and split the tackstalls into two--one for each end.
Like a Garage door?

Another choice would be to make the barn like a 't' (pretend its a straight up-down stick) and have the aena as the large part, and then put the office, bathroom, tackroom and feedroom and the top bit of the stick.
(Example: 20 stall center isle horse barn plans from Ocala Florida custom builder - Just put the arena entrance by the washstalls)

Bathroom should not be through the office, but have its own entrance. Although a washer and dryer at the barn would be nice, some people can abuse the free washing, and use up extra water. Unless you are on well, that water gets charged to you, and if you are on well, you don't want the extra water gone for two barely dirty saddle pads.
Yeah, didn't think of that either. It would be pretty nice to have though! Especially if you weren't paying for it! LOL

As for a tack room, why not make enough room for the permanent lockers, but then have some leftover room for some tack trunks, for those who have them? Then you satisfy both sides, without cluttering up the aisleways.
Yeah, I had to change that quite often on what size I should make it.

With the "T/t" design, you get two large doors at either end of the aisle, giving it easy access for getting horses in and out, as well as having the capability of having a tractor get into the aisle for those heavy muck out days. Its so much easier to through it all into a bucket (or custom bucket/rack like my barn has) and go dump it all at once, then having to make 32+ trips to the manure pile.
YES! That's is such a good idea! It would make mucking out a whole lot easier :)
     
    11-17-2011, 07:47 PM
  #55
Trained
Or......I have been in barns where they actually drive the spreader thru the barn as they clean.....saving ALL trips to the pile or spreader. Personally, if you have the room, I preferred having a spreader......it seems that it is really hard to push the wheelbarrow in to dump it out. Hate that.

A "clean out" is a place in your drain pipe, downline from the drain, (or downspout-works there too) where there is a top you take off so that you can access the drain to clean it out. Easy to avoid it getting plugged.
     
    11-17-2011, 08:36 PM
  #56
Green Broke
No, a large sliding door, a normal barn door. It would also be a good idea to have a door of somesort closing the arena from the barn. Frank said it before, but I will say it again...it helps to keep some of the heat in the barn, and the cold air out.

My grandparents had a barn before that had sliding doors at the one end of the barn, that gave them access to both rows of stalls. All the stalls had a sliding partition, so that they could come in with the tractor and do a big clean out a few times a year. We would then roll a round bale of straw out, close the partitions, and put the horses back in the stall.


Frank....my barn has a large custom "bucket" on the front of the tractor. Its a big rack thing, and they muck out of the stalls right onto it. It holds about an aisles worth of stalls, which for us is about 20. Since its still on the hydrolic (sp?) system, they just tip it forward to empty it, just like a bucket. I wish I had a picture of it to show you. When the horses have been in for a few days, it may not hold as much, but then it is still only 4 trips to the manure pile, rather then 80ish.
     
    11-17-2011, 09:01 PM
  #57
Trained
That is easier than backing the speader in, most likely....I have been mostly at smaller places lately, and have forgotten some.....altho,when we have the horses at home we used the spreader and only had 6 horses......out every day. Will see how they do it where my guy is now with 50+, who never go out.
     
    11-17-2011, 09:48 PM
  #58
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray MacDonald    
That sucks about the drain, does the water pool?
My very first drawing (The one that is not on here) was like that.
Yeah, lofts are common around here too.
I was thinking about having runs.
The water pools, and it only evaporates on super hot summer days. In the winter it freezes, making the area super dangerous. We have to be careful to sweep the water into the drain so that doesn't happen.
     
    11-22-2011, 02:20 PM
  #59
Foal
Ours is similar at work, but it would make for a nice barn :)
     

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