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        04-28-2011, 06:48 AM
      #11
    Showing
    Including a trim is one thing, but what about shoes or special care?

    Borders know when the farrier is coming (or should) so there is no reason they can't leave a check with you before the appointment.

    As for always wanting to be there when the farrier comes - that's great if you can afford the time away from work but most owners can't. You have to adapt to the farrier's time - not his to yours.
         
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        04-28-2011, 06:50 AM
      #12
    Green Broke
    My farrier will do early mornings, evenings and weekends when needed so I just book it for either boefre/after work or on my day off.
         
        04-28-2011, 10:03 AM
      #13
    Yearling
    No offense, but if I were interviewing barns and you said these things to me, I would think you were a control freak and run the other way. LOL

    I would want the option of having the farrier of my choosing, not who you choose for me.
         
        04-28-2011, 10:20 AM
      #14
    Foal
    I would not want to pay board for this. A farrier who is great for these horses may not be good for those horses, ya know? For instance, I have a little mini mare. She's pretty easy to trim, and I usually do it myself. For a while we had her with a farrier who had never done a 'barefoot' trim and only trimmed to prep for shoes, and so her feet were always wonky. And I would feel a little jilted if I had to pay an extra $x a month for a farrier that I couldnt use, AND pay for my own farrier on top of that! That would be completely unfair in my eyes.
    I agree with the husband, drop that service.
    Put up on a notice board when the farrier's next visit is so that people can be prepared to leave a check or be there when the farrier shows up.
         
        04-28-2011, 10:54 AM
      #15
    Banned
    The only people the answer to this question matters to is your boarders. Ask them.

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    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
    Stop including it and get farriers to bill clients directly.
    If your farrier is willing to do this, I would say go this route. I know some farriers are willing to bill, others are not.


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    Originally Posted by corinowalk    
    If say, you charge $400 and that includes hay, grain, stall cleaning, blankets, farrier work, routine worming and occasional grooming but joes pony shack down the road charges $250 for pasture board in barbed wire fencing....lots of people will find a reason to like joe, simply for the price. Not realizing that you get what you pay for.
    I totally understand what you are saying. I think most boarders can totally see the difference between the two situations. The people who can not, and go only on price, not price vs. what is offered are not the type of boarder most people want anyway.

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    Originally Posted by corinowalk    
    You could try an 'ala carte' boarding. Base board being X amount of dollars and tack on additional expenses that most boarders want.
    The nickle and dime approach can be a real turn off for people too.

    There really are just three types of boarders.

    1. The cheap people who will just go to Joe's pony shack (love that name, Cori). Who do not consider what they are getting vs. the money they are paying.
    2. Those that would rather just know what their bill is every month, period. $400 no matter what. Blankets are included, turn out is included, holding is included, etc (if offered, obviously). Here is my check, thank you very much. (I will say I have not ever encountered a barn that this option included the farrier though.)
    3. Those that want to pay for exactly what they are having done. They hate it that they pay the same as Dobbin's owner when Dobbin gets four flakes of hay and Star only gets three flakes of hay and Dobbin needs a blanket when it rains, so not fair that it costs the same. They want to pay for what they use and Dobbin's owner to pay extra for the extra services they are using.

    You can not make all the groups happy at the same barn.


    I like the theory that you tell people the farrier is coming on this day, if you want Dobbin's feet done please leave me a check for the farrier if you can not be here. Holding fee is either worked into the board if you are going flat rate or added to bill if you are going with the bill by the item theory.

    People who do not want to use that time can schedule their own. And yes, a farrier is in the way. Either find a place that a farrier can work that is not a big issue or smile and swallow hard and accept that people are in the way sometimes.


    ETA - If you have a problem getting people to leave checks for their horses and then calling you telling you that 'Dobbin just has to be done today, please can you pay for it', you can add a fee for that too if you are going with the ala carte method.
         
        04-28-2011, 11:08 AM
      #16
    Showing
    What I can't understand is HOW you include the farrier fee into your board at a flat rate and do it fairly. For instance, Horse A needs his feet done every 5 weeks with special shoes and pads that cost $150/go, Horse B needs his feet trimmed every 8-10 weeks - if they're both paying, say.. $40/month for farrier work included in board, the owner of Horse A is getting a steal of a deal and owner of horse B is getting ripped off - no easy way to say that. I don't know how you fairly incorporate a farrier fee into your board rate as a flat fee without someone getting short-changed.
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        04-28-2011, 12:16 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    Well for me, I'd rather pay on my own...my pony has big (for her size) rock hard feet that don't wear very quickly...in the winter the farrier only needs to come every 7-8 weeks, more like 6 in the spring/summer. But she has always been barefoot without issue, so that's like $40 for me. So you'd have to adjust board individually for people like me I guess? Sounds like more hassle for you than it's worth!
         
        04-28-2011, 01:53 PM
      #18
    Yearling
    Currently my barn only has 6 stalls and 20 pasture board spots. Full care stall board is $375 and includes up to 4lbs of purina horseman's edge 12% pellet fed 2x daily, 10-15 lbs of hay in the evening (and in the morning if they are in due to the weather) stall cleaned 1x day and allotted 6 bags of shavings month. Fans in every stall. They are turned out all day with one or two other horses in 3 acre pastures. Also included is blanketing, trailer parking, farrier trimming every 6 weeks and worming every 8.

    Pasture board is $250 and includes up to 4lbs fed once a day with a feed bag (1 feed bag is included every 6 months) free choice hay when needed (usually in the winter) trailer parking, farrier and worming as above. There are two large approx 25 acre pastures and there are 10 horses in each one max. Multiple shelters in each and its all horse safe fencing.

    Right now we just have a 160x170 outdoor arena.. Large, secure tack room which is about to get larger. We just finished a super sexy bathroom (will post pictures soon! Sorry just proud of my husband's work lol) and will finish a lounge soon too.

    We do provide the best VALUE in our area even if we didn't. We have mixed clients both english and western. Several are newer horse owners and others are busy horse owners who don't come out very often. 2 out of 18 use their own farrier.

    We generally have 2 farrier groups 2-3 weeks apart. Right now we just have 1. Front shoes are $25 extra and they pay with that month's board. Horses with good feet get done weather they need it or now but generally they need it. In the summer I'll get them done at 5 weeks if they need it.. and in the winter every 7 if that's what is needed. I went to school for equine science and consider myself well versed in farrier science and nutrition and the farrier I use is one of the better ones in the area for trimming and general shoeing. I advise another farrier for major corrective work. My farrier lives 5 minutes away and is the go to draft guy... My favorite part is that he listens to what I want done.

    With the indoor arena coming we are thinking about raising the board to $425 and including the same things.. but we are not certain yet. We would still be one of the cheapest covered arenas in the area. We also will have a total of 18 stalls and will drop pasture boarding to 10 so I realize that people in this higher price range generally care more about their horses' feet. So I do appreciate everyone's opinions greatly!

    Does that answer everyone's questions? Still feel the same way?
         
        04-28-2011, 01:56 PM
      #19
    Banned
    Not sure how that information changes the question at all.
         
        04-28-2011, 02:16 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    So basically you're making money off the farrier thing, they're paying every 4 weeks but the horses are done every 6. So they're basically paying even on the month the horses aren't done.
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