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post #21 of 42 Old 09-05-2011, 07:22 PM Thread Starter
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Whys are what get you in trouble, In Virginia there are a whole list of reasons you can't fire someone, BUT it is perfectly legal to fire someone for no reason at all, At the end of her work day just tell her her services are no longer required. Period, end of discussion, no ifs whys or buts, It isnt relevant. Don't even say anything else, other than please leave now. Then walk away. You have to be ready and willing to fire someone before you should hire someone. I can't imagine putting up with it for more than a week much less 6 months,
I don't know how I did either

I guess its because it didn't start out that way, she was good, it just slowly started sliding...I gave her the benefit of the doubt on an occasion or two...as lets face it we all have bad days... but when the excuses out weighed reality, that's when I started to get frustrated, and as the title says I hit my final straw

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I should clarify the water...the horse were not OUT of water...yes then Id have said see ya!....It takes a long time to fill one of our outdoor water troughs, so we try to stay on top of it every other day or so as then it will take 10 min to fill opposed to 30. I had asked her to fill it on the Sunday....this was not done, so come Monday it was much lower then it should have been, just creating more time spent topping it off....but her attitude was one of they have water so no need to top it off....
This is where she blamed it on the boarders using the hose that she couldn't fill it....

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post #23 of 42 Old 09-06-2011, 05:22 PM
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Hoping she leaves without causing trouble.

I too have heard of disgruntled ex-employees spreading nasty rumours about barns (all over Craigslist).

On the positive side, now that school is back in I am sure there are many High School or Post Secondary students looking for weekend hours - myself included. (Happen to be in my area? ) And I am sure many of these are willing to work off board, riding time, etc. If you would rather provide that over cash.
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If you haven't already, I would provide a letter with her final paycheque that explains you no longer require her services. Since you want to help her (not that it will actually work by the sounds of it though), you could add a paragraph of constructive criticism suggestion how she might improve at her next position. I would shy away from putting in writing exactly WHY you are terminating employment. This does a couple of things: if it's stapled to her paycheque you KNOW she's got the letter. 2. It covers your reputation if anyone hears the wrong story 3. Without actually firing her for poor work ethic formally, you don't risk wrongful dismissal. She probably wouldn't have the brains or motivation to do that, but mommy might...

As for notice -- in Canada the requirements for employer and employee notification periods differ by province. I suspect it is the same in the US. Here, there are lots of situations where the employer/ee does or doesn't have to provide notice. It just depends... Typically, if an employer is in a situation where the employee must be given a notice period and the termination is negative, the employer with give pay in lieu of notice because the employee will cause problems if they are allowed to remain on the job.
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Nope, no two weeks notice. Immediate termination. That's the way it works in the corporate world if you're caught lying or stealing, so why should it be any different in the horse world?

Plus, that's such a wimpy thing to say. Better is, 'Get out. You've been slacking off and lied about it, and I don't need that kind of person around my barn'.
She is in Canada, we have different laws. Yes, you can fire someone immediately after lying or stealing etc, however, because she didn't fire her immediately, in the eyes of the Labour Board, she accepted that behavior. But this is not a problem anyways, as she is a parttime employee, there will be no severance in lieu of notice. Simply tell her you are not happy with her work and you no longer require her services. Her friend & your boarder will make her conclusions. I would think she would be choked because her horse wasn't watered on one occassion. You need to find someone reliable as I would be very mad if my horse wasn't watered by your employee, and I am sure I am not the only one who would feel this way.
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post #26 of 42 Old 09-07-2011, 07:27 AM
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Waresbear, it does not matter if the girl is part-time or full time regarding right to termination notice. The only place in Canada that applies is in NT. However, length of employment does matter.

Maverick, if you want to know the legislation, PM me and I will give you the requirements for your province.
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The comments about big girl panties I believe come from the silly list of never ending reasons (excuses) why you do not want to let her go.

The horse world is full of rumors.
Period.

Boarding and training, even at great barns, tends to be very cyclical.
If this girl does not start a rumor that causes a couple of people to leave there will be something else down the road that will cause a couple of people to leave and a lull before some new people come.

Why keep a bad employee because you are worried about a rumor?

The type of people that will leave or will not come because of a rumor are the type of people you really do not want anyway.


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I find it quite alarming that a barn lost 15 boarders as a result of one person. There were obviously deeper issues. Here's how it goes for me: If I'm happy I stay, if I'm not I leave and while I do listen to what others have to say, most of it stays at that. Obviously these boarders were more than unhappy and for more than just one reason.
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I will not go into detail about this barn or the particular person and what rumors were spread....but I know the barn Owner personally, and what this ex employee said happened would make you get up and go.....
Um no. I doubt it. I have to agree with Jamzimm. I make my staying with a boarding barn/trainer decisions based on my experience, not rumors.

Plus, when a rumor does come around you have to take into account where it is coming from.
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Good Luck with your conversation with this person. You've thought it through, prepared yourself and hopefully will go off without a hitch. In case you haven't already, document the times you have previously discussed improving her performance/work ethic with her (when and what) just for your records and it will help in your conversation with her. I think it's great you are still trying to help her by providing reasons so she can improve in her next position.
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What ever happened to good workers you asked? There are good workers, don't get me wrong, but it seems lots of teens believe that the world owes them something and they should be paid for the bare minimum.
Even some adults are that way and its sad. I used to bust my behind working as a teen and now working as an adult I do the same. I tend to tire myself o ut now covering and working for the few that feel they are "princessess" and shouldnt have to do more than the bare minimum.
I am in a job now that I am about ready to quit, have worked for this same vet for over 8 years this time, and over 10 years at another time. I just recently got a raise after 8 years(working part time) because they "couldn't afford it" yet the two younger girls get paid more than I do for the same work. I have always covered days for them, been there on call, etc and basically let them use me. I have since decided that I will no longer do this and tomorrow will be a make or break day for me. We will see what happens.
I am a good worker and will give 100% for someone, yet it seems the ones that give 50% get the benefit of the doubt. UGH
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Whys are what get you in trouble, In Virginia there are a whole list of reasons you can't fire someone, BUT it is perfectly legal to fire someone for no reason at all.
Virginia is an 'at will' work state, so you can be terminated for a whole list of things, or nothing at all.

If an employer is terminating for cause, then yes, they have to state the reasons and they'd better have written backup. Sexual harassment, stealing, etc. are all cause for termination, but need backup.

Letting someone go because the situation/person just isn't working out is something else again. You can even terminate when downsizing, reorganizing, or eliminating a position.

That 'at will' thing works for employees, too. If they don't feel the job is right for them, they can legally terminate their employment without notice, and there legally can't be any repercussions from the employer.

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