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        03-30-2012, 03:27 PM
      #11
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    what an interesting idea! So , these vertical "tubes" of sand kind of suck moisture from the surrounding soil and mud?
    With the clay that we have, the water is "trapped" ontop of it and has no place to go and absorb. It would be weeks before we are dried out, and in spring time with the rain and snow melting, we are miserable, the horses are miserable, we finally had to do something.

    The holes we dug were to get through the layer of clay and into the dirt underneath, which will allow the water to drain down into these holes, pass through the sand and into whatever is underneath the layers of clay instead of dealing with the standing water.

    I filled them back up with sand, really packed it in there, we thought about pea gravel and then just doing the sand ontop, but quite frankly, sand is cheaper and it's already proving to be very successful.

    Using an auger to create each hole took approximately 5 minutes per hole. 4 of them were just to break through the clay and then 1 simple minute to go the rest of the way down and pull the auger back out.
         
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        03-30-2012, 04:42 PM
      #12
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by nvr2many    
    I just want to chime in for a bit of NW support. I am in Dallas, Oregon, west of Salem and man, do we have mud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Will it ever stop raining!!!
    I'm sitting here in Salem watching the creek rise again and it doesn't look like the rain is planning on stopping.
         
        03-30-2012, 04:43 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Darrin    
    I'm sitting here in Salem watching the creek rise again and it doesn't look like the rain is planning on stopping.
    I know and its killing meeeeeeeeeeeee!! Oh and howdy neighbor!
         
        03-30-2012, 05:21 PM
      #14
    Showing
    With my riding ring it was built on a slight natural slope and a wide trench dug at the low corner. Works great. My stalls are on clay. They started out with about a foot of pit sand. The horses packed this into the clay. Altho not cement hard it works very well. The use of eaves troughing is crucial to direct roof runoff away from the building. Mine empties in to a huge water tank for the horses. The horses normally don't want to be inside until the bugs get bad so why force them into stalls that cause them problems.
         
        06-10-2013, 10:04 AM
      #15
    Foal
    I'm in North Georgia and have similar rain issues and soil issues (lot's of rain and a layer of clay). Our problem is so bad, I get sink holes about 1' to 2' deep from the underlaying soil washing away underneath the ground at the clay layer.

    My question is, by digging these holes, is there any danger of introducing E-COLI to the ground water from the Horses dung in the pastures and feeding areas. I have a well for my barns water
         
        06-11-2013, 02:56 AM
      #16
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by MuGGzy    
    I don't know if horse owners in other regions have as much of a problem with rain and mud as those of us in the NW do but I am looking for ideas.

    I have a 3 stall barn with entries on the outside. Even though we are on the top of a hill, due to the soil/clay content, our drainage is CRAP. From October to May/June we have deep mud outside the stalls. This is causing all our horses to get weird fungus stuff on their feet and lose hair because they are perpetually globed up with mud and they often would rather stand out in the rain than struggle through the sloppy mud, in some places as much as 12" deep.

    So I am looking for ideas on how to fix this. I have a couple ideas that I am entertaining but I am of course open to anything at this point.

    Idea A:
    1.Bring in a "Bobcat" and dig out all the mud/dirt down to about 2' deep in an area as wide as the entire stall area and about 15'-20' out (distance from barn doors to outer edge).
    2.Dump a truck load of 2"-3" crushed rock in the area and level that out.
    3.Put Sand or dirt back on top of the rock so the surface is soft enough for the times of year when they don't have shoes.
    Theory:This would allow the water to sink down and move freely through the rock layer and pool there or run off to the edges where there will still be mud but at least it won't be in front of the stalls.

    Idea B:
    1. Bring in a backhoe and dig trenches approx 1' wide and 2'-3' deep and 20' long, at a 90 degree angle from the barn wall, about 4' apart. From above this would look like a big "comb" with the trenches being the blades of the comb.
    2. Take 1-3 lengths of 5" perforated PVC pipe and lay them side by side in each trench running the length of the trench.
    3. Fill the trenches with 2"-3" crushed rock and sand alternating layers and cover with dirt.


    I thought about just digging out and pouring a cement slab over the whole area but that would be cost prohibitive.

    I am open to ideas, thanks for taking the time to read and respond if you are so inclined.
    Where are you in the NW? I'm in Woodinville-Redmond area, I know King County and Snohomish County Conservation Districts have cost sharing grants that will reimburse up to 50% of the costs.

    I did your option B, except I used this special drain tube that has a sock around it and inside the sock and around the tube is specialized foam that won't breakdown, and it saves money in agragate costs. Http://m.lowes.com/product?langId=-1&storeId=10702&catalogId=10051&productId=3136611& store=595&view=detail

    They reimbursed 50% of my equipment rental, gravel, rockery, sand, drainage, geotextile fabric and Eco-grid panels when I renovated my turnouts last summer.

    Http://www.kingcd.org/programs-landowner-incentive.htm
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        06-11-2013, 10:07 AM
      #17
    Showing
    In the North we deal with spring mud. The problem is that much of it is attributable to the ground thawing and the frost coming out the ground. To create a gravel area one has to dig well below the frost line. Even a dog creating a winter path can drive the frost deeper. In the -30* areas the area would probably have to be dug down at least 4'. Mostly filled with rock then crushed on top. No need for dirt on top as it will work it's way down thro the gravel. The horses will do fine walking on crushed. The only alternative is digging a deep trench around the building and using drain tile which would empty into a cistern (45 gal barrel buried full of holes)
         
        09-22-2013, 11:11 PM
      #18
    Foal
    Thank you for sharing this State incentive information. Which program did you qualify for and did you have to qualify first or did you submit what you did after re-doing your turnout? Thank you.
         
        09-23-2013, 03:02 AM
      #19
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Papotage    
    Thank you for sharing this State incentive information. Which program did you qualify for and did you have to qualify first or did you submit what you did after re-doing your turnout? Thank you.
    King Conservation District. But I know Snohomish and other Counties have similar programs.You have a free farm plan done and they suggest all the ways to improve your property, gutters, protecting down spouts, mud management, pasture rotation, manure management everything, and then they make suggestions as to which you could benefit from and then they give you this big notebook and all of the paperwork you need to submit the grant request. You have to be approved before you do any work.

    Once you're approve you can start work. And you submit your receipts and they reimburse what you qualified for up to a certain amount.
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