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  • Riding lessons given by trainer on privately owned horse without permission
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    04-24-2011, 03:53 PM
Originally Posted by Spyder    
If the BO is using a boarder's horse for "lessons" then she better get permission.

That is a total breech of trust between the horse's owner and the BO.
That never happened with my horse, but I have seen it done and it did cause me to loose trust in the BO, but when I first saw it I thought it was just a mistake and moved on. Then the BO allowed a lesson girl to ride a boarder's horse in a schooling show without the horse owner knowing or giving permission. That happened a month ago, and I started looking around at other barns after seeing that, along with a bunch of other stuff going on. (This is really the tip of the iceberg with my BO).

Cat: The rule is more like only people in lessons or working at the barn can ride horses other than their on, even with permission from the owner. I totally would understand where the BO was coming from if what you said was the case, except any drama caused by kids riding horses without permission from the horse owner was because the BO had given the kid permission without the knowledge of the owner. I've seen this occur twice in the year and a half I've been there, and in one of the occasions it caused drama. In the other the horse owner didn't say anything because she's a 13 y.o.
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    04-24-2011, 11:40 PM
No one should be able to ride a boarders horse unless they have an email or signed consent including the barn owner! You are wise to look for another place! Why does she not like you?
    04-24-2011, 11:55 PM
Wow! If I ever found out someone else was riding my horse I would be livid! There is no excuse ever to ride someone else's horse without approval.

I tend to think she is looking at it as lost money. If you don't have a horse to ride and use a friend's horse at the barn then she is loosing out on you spending money to ride in a lesson or losing your cheap labor. You are smart to move your horse. A private horse is the owner's responsibility and it is up to the owner to decide who can or can not ride. Good luck at your new barn.
    04-25-2011, 12:06 AM
Originally Posted by starlinestables    
No one should be able to ride a boarders horse unless they have an email or signed consent including the barn owner! You are wise to look for another place! Why does she not like you?
From what others have told me it started last June. We had been planning on going on an overnight trail ride, and so the BO charged everyone going $100 dollars to pay for gas to get to the park and to rent out one of the barns there. All the parents of the girls had paid, and then the BO decided that we should instead just bring tents to our barn and ride around the property. I was okay with that, and asked for my money back, since it wouldn't be needed to pay for gas or the rental barn. But the BO refused, saying she had already used the money. I was not happy, and though the other girls have no back bone with her (they will admit that) I talked with some of the parents to let them know what was going on. Of course the parents weren't happy either, so they talked to her. We did end up going to the park, so the BO wouldn't have to give us the money back.

And that's when it all started....
    04-25-2011, 12:42 AM
but at the last schooling show the BO allowed a girl to ride this horse in a class without letting the owner know.
If I was the horse's owner I would NOT be happy about that. Just because the horse is at the BO's barn, doesn't mean it's "hers" to give out to other riders.
    04-25-2011, 04:11 AM
If I knew the BO was letting others ride my horse without my permission, I would move, not just that day, but that hour. I would be livid.
    04-25-2011, 09:01 AM
At my old boarding barn they had a rule where no one but the boarder could ride a horse. I thought it was a stupid rule when I was boarding there, but that was the rule and it was posted on the wall and in our boarding contract. My boyfriend was not allowed to sit on my horse and walk around the arena. Even other boarders at the barn were not allowed to try my horse. The only time anyone was allowed was if it was during a lesson with my permission.
    04-25-2011, 09:35 AM
It sounds like this barn has a whole list of other issues going on than this one.

Originally Posted by hrsrdr    
Your BO needs to get a liability SIGN, and post it where everyone can see it. I think that relieves you of having to do the waivers.
Not all states have an Equine Limited Liability law. The sign thing may sound like a warm and fuzzy truth but it is not really that simply.
Signs, state specific wording, are required to be covered by the equine limited liability laws in the states that have them. That does not mean the BO's insurance will not still require the BO to have waivers, etc.

Originally Posted by Cat    
There have been some issues come up at barns where someone will say that they have permission to ride X horse and really don't and it then leads to all sort of headaches when the owner of the horse finds out.
This is the reason I know some barns require a signed lease on file for someone else to ride a privately owned horse.

Originally Posted by sixlets    
Cat: The rule is more like only people in lessons or working at the barn can ride horses other than their on, even with permission from the owner.
People have been known to lie about having permission. You (generic you) can say that you have permission to ride Dobbin but that does not mean Dobbin's owner knows that you are going to be riding Dobbin.

Originally Posted by AlexS    
If I knew the BO was letting others ride my horse without my permission, I would move, not just that day, but that hour. I would be livid.
I agree.
    04-25-2011, 12:48 PM
Green Broke
One thing that came to mind (I am sure there is more going on in this case) as far as that particular rule goes, is if the owner of the horse is allowing the BO to use the horse in lessons in order to pay off some of their board, or get a reduced rate for their own lessons. I could completely see then, why the BO would not allow someone else to ride the horse that was not in lessons or paying, as they then do not have the option of using the horse as per the agreement. But that doesn't sound like the case here.
    04-25-2011, 01:04 PM
Green Broke
I've never heard of a rule like that. But common sense would be that you don't go and ride another's horse without permission. We've always told our BO who was allowed to ride our horses IF we weren't there. They have liabilty signs posted AND require waivers signed for ANY guest. Most of the time we are there when a guest is going to ride, but if we know that someone is experienced enough, they can ride without us being there. Maybe if the horse owner and you, together, were to talk to the BO beforehand, there wouldn't be any problem.

I would be leary of a BO or BM that would say one thing and do the opposite, either pertaining to riding or like the camping trip issue the OP had

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