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    04-25-2011, 03:16 PM
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    04-25-2011, 03:56 PM
Originally Posted by hrsrdr    
Your BO needs to get a liability SIGN, and post it where everyone can see it. I think that relieves you of having to do the waivers. Sounds like she is just one of the more paranoid type.
The sign does not cover this type of situation.

We have that rule too. It has to be in writing if the owner is not present while another boarder is handling the horse. It has nothing to do with being paranoid. It has to do with liability and accountability. Say you give your friend a verbal ok to ride your horse. Next week, you are on the outs for whatever reason. Suddenly the BO is one of those awful people who lets anyone ride any horse in the barn.
    04-25-2011, 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by AlexS    
If I knew the BO was letting others ride my horse without my permission, I would move, not just that day, but that hour. I would be livid.

I wasn't happy, unfortunately the barn we're moving to doesn't have an opening until May 1st, so we're moving Jasper this Saturday.

Originally Posted by apachiedragon    
One thing that came to mind (I am sure there is more going on in this case) as far as that particular rule goes, is if the owner of the horse is allowing the BO to use the horse in lessons in order to pay off some of their board, or get a reduced rate for their own lessons. I could completely see then, why the BO would not allow someone else to ride the horse that was not in lessons or paying, as they then do not have the option of using the horse as per the agreement. But that doesn't sound like the case here.

He was used in one lesson a week on Tuesday, but the BO didn't have permission to use him Mondays (and there aren't lessons monday, it's the BO's day off), when I would ride. I would, of course, never ride him when he could be used lessons because I know they need the money off board.

Just wanted to clarify, in the state of Minnesota you can legally sign away your right to sue. So by signing wavers at the barn I have comletely given up my right to sue the BO for any safety issues. So, even if she is "paranoid" that's no excuse. I did talk to her again about it yesterday. She told me she has this rule "so other girls' feelings don't get hurt. They might think I'm getting special treatment if I'm allowed to ride a horse without doing the work for it." ??? I would agree if I was asking to ride one of HER horses, but I'm riding a horse that no one else has permission to ride anyways...

Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    

People have been known to lie about having permission. You (generic you) can say that you have permission to ride Dobbin but that does not mean Dobbin's owner knows that you are going to be riding Dobbin.
Totally agree, and to make sure that didn't happen I had the owner of the horse let the BO and BM know that I was allowed to ride the horse Mondays.
    04-25-2011, 08:51 PM
When I boarded horses, if it wasn't yours you didn't touch it. Even if the owner gave someone permission, I didn't allow it unless the owner was here. If the horse were to get hurt I wanted the owner to see exactly how it happened. They had to be here for vet calls, farrier and deworming as well. Things can go wrong then also. It worked out well and everyone was happy.
    04-25-2011, 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
When I boarded horses, if it wasn't yours you didn't touch it. Even if the owner gave someone permission, I didn't allow it unless the owner was here. If the horse were to get hurt I wanted the owner to see exactly how it happened. They had to be here for vet calls, farrier and deworming as well. Things can go wrong then also. It worked out well and everyone was happy.

Did you have them sign waivers? It just seems excessive to me. Maybe not if they boarders were informed when they came to you, I wasn't told until over a year into it. I want more control over who can and can not ride my horses.
    04-26-2011, 08:26 AM
You can never totally sign away your right to sue.
    04-26-2011, 03:47 PM
Not that this is the case in this particular situation, but just to give something to think about going forward. If you own a horse in my barn and you want someone besides staff to ride it, of course it must be in writing. But I have had circumstances where the person the owner wants to ride their horse is in no way qualified to ride the horse. Just out and out can't ride, or just does not have the skill set to handle a particular horse. I have had to put my foot down because it was a serious accident waiting to happen. So there are circumstances when things are not so cut and dry. Again, not that that is what is happening here. Just something to think about in general: that things are usually not black and white.
    04-26-2011, 05:20 PM
I have heard of barns not allowing someone to pay an independent excercise rider to come ride their horses for them becuase the barn requires that all such services must come through the barn's own training program. But since no money is trading hands, it seems odd that the owner cannot allow whomever they want to ride their horse, so long as nothing illegal or dangerous is taking place.

Most states have specific waiver language. Usually you have to post a sign and have a waiver that has language mandated by statute in order for it to be enforceable in a court of law. The language is not normally a blanket "you cannot sue," so much as it is a "cannot be held liable for injuries that occur as a result of the inherrent risks of equine activity." Injuries resulting from negligence or gross negligence are not usually covered by such language.
    05-03-2011, 07:36 PM
I can see this in a way due to insurance reasons, but typically a signed liability waiver clears this and all is good. I think she is being a little too touchy, the owner of the horse has the final say as to who and who cannot ride thier horse. I would have my family come out all the time to ride my horse at my old trainers barn as long as I was present to supervise and they signed the waiver it was all good. I would say for your situation of exercising your friends horse for her she should have you sign a simple permision slip form stating that it is fine for you to ride this horse.
    05-04-2011, 10:36 AM
waiver's are worth what they are written on

There is a general misconception prevalent in the horse industry that a liability waiver will prevent lawsuits from being filed. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Even if a waiver has been signed, if a barn owner or manager behaves in a negligent manner or was aware of an unsafe situation but allowed it to happen or did nothing to rectify it, and many other things, they can still be held liable...even with a waiver. Waivers do not eliminate the potential for being held liable. They minimize it a bit but in no way make a farm sue proof.

Even if you as the farm owner have done everything right you can still be sued. And can spend a lot of time and money defending yourself in court.

Bottom line is it's their farm, it's their rules. When you have your farm, you can make your rules.

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