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    03-04-2012, 06:37 PM
  #31
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If I were building from scratch, and money were not at concern, I would do one of the fancy interlock flooring systems filled in with gravel and fines, with mats over top, as described above.

In previous barns I have been through the very laborious process of reflooring clay floored stalls, and it's a bear. I wouldn't do it again without adding mats or some other form of flooring on top. I've also retrofitted mats in a variety of stalls, and I agree the key points of retrofitting mats are having a good level surface (usual method I've encountered is bluestone or graveldust, thoroughly soaked to level it, or tamped with a power tamper) and having the mats fitted snugly, in as few pieces as possible. Two is the fewest I've been able to manage with the weight of the mats. The 4 X 6 mats have a short shelf life and quickly become difficult to work with, IME. Cleaning under mats that were installed over inadequate drainage is the worst job on earth.

In my current barn, which has clay floors, and in which I do not keep horses up, but allow them to use the stalls as run in sheds except in rare instances when I need to keep them confined, I am planning on a 2 - 3" layer of gravel dust, leveled and tamped, and 3' wide industrial belting installed over the top. I plan on doing this for the aisle as well, and to get them as closely fitted as our patience and backs will allow. (Any mat not tightly fitted *will* shift when a horse pivots or moves in the stall.) This will work fine for my application, but probably wouldn't have sufficient longevity to make sense in a commercial barn where the horses are up 12 hours per day.

As for the OP's concern, this strikes me as one of the details that will add to the marketability of your property, but will not actually add dollars to the value of the property. So I would do what works for you in the present, and is a good investment mid-term, rather than long term value.

I have never kept horses in the UK, and I confess, keeping horses on concrete, even with matting on top, seems odd and counterintuitive to me. They only time I've ever seen stalls on concrete is in a converted dairy barn. Just doesn't seem to make sense to me if you're building a horse specific facility from the ground up, but that may be my American bias. Now, if you had permanent drains installed in the middle of each concrete floor, and then put matting on top of that, that would make tons of sense.

I do agree that you could probably mitigate any of the bad effects of the concrete flooring with matting and bedding, but it's not enough to persuade me to start with concrete by choice.
     
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    03-04-2012, 06:44 PM
  #32
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Originally Posted by Taffy Clayton    

Did you read the entire thread? No arguement was started by me.

Unlike you I don't want to argue. I have no arguement with anyone.
This is ludicrist that this is even an arguement. Who would argue about horse stall flooring? Not me. I was jumped all over for giving my opinion.
Yes ma'am, I sure did..twice in fact. And I'm not trying to argue, I just want you to, for once, be responsible for the things you say and do...Taffy, you like to sit back with a stick and poke at the argument to keep it going then sit back with an innocent face and try to act insulted when you get called out for poking the argument with a stick..and your best defense is just saying "it's my opinion." And bolding everything you say..


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Originally Posted by Taffy Clayton    
You need to get your heart off your sleave, I did not negate anything you said. This is my opinion and my opinion only. Op asked, I answered, as did you.

Not everyone on this forum is snarky.
This isn't insinuating and pointing fingers at people?


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Originally Posted by Taffy Clayton    
I did read your poast again and I stand by what I said.

Concrete doesn't sound to great to me, It doesn't sound to great by you either.
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It could have ended here...but you instead took a jab by saying "it doesn't sound great by you either"..Where did she post that?

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I don't know if you got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, or are you always this rude? There is nothing said in my post that calls for this response. Just plain nasty!
Ah, now you directly go for insulting people..


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Great opinion, equal in validity to my opinion.
See, this is where you've realized you've lost your cool a little and haven't played the It's my opinion" card well enough so you have to bold it to get your point across..
     
    03-04-2012, 07:02 PM
  #33
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Oh for gosh sakes drumrunner, you are not worth the time or trouble to answer you.
I never said anyone was wrong in their opinions on stall mats.
The only reason I commented on GH's first post was to point out that her opinion was great and was in no way ofensive to me in the least it was a valid as mine.

You just like to argue
     
    03-04-2012, 07:08 PM
  #34
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Originally Posted by Taffy Clayton    
Oh for gosh sakes drumrunner, you are not worth the time or trouble to answer you.
I never said anyone was wrong in their opinions on stall mats.
The only reason I commented on GH's first post was to point out that her opinion was great and was in no way ofensive to me in the least it was a valid as mine.

You just like to argue
Lol Ouch, that sure hurts my feelings, but realize, you did answer...I'm not arguing, I'm pointing out the obvious. That's my opinion of you. I'm sure others agree..I'm not fooled by you one bit.
     
    03-04-2012, 07:12 PM
  #35
Green Broke
Now that really hurts!
     
    03-04-2012, 07:52 PM
  #36
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Originally Posted by maura    

I have never kept horses in the UK, and I confess, keeping horses on concrete, even with matting on top, seems odd and counterintuitive to me. They only time I've ever seen stalls on concrete is in a converted dairy barn. Just doesn't seem to make sense to me if you're building a horse specific facility from the ground up, but that may be my American bias. Now, if you had permanent drains installed in the middle of each concrete floor, and then put matting on top of that, that would make tons of sense.

I do agree that you could probably mitigate any of the bad effects of the concrete flooring with matting and bedding, but it's not enough to persuade me to start with concrete by choice.
LOL, that's how we poor UK people feel about dirt floors, it's counter intuitive to us to put an animal on a dirt floor then have it pee and mess everywhere and end up with a soggy mess.

Of course some of the difference will come from climate, seeing as the UK manages to be a soggy mess for a lot of the time, then dirt floors would not do so well.

Lets face it, horse keeping has evolved in each country to suit the conditions and climate in each, so as so often no right and wrong answer, because what suits one place doesn't always do elsewhere.
     
    03-04-2012, 08:20 PM
  #37
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Originally Posted by Taffy Clayton    
Now that really hurts!
See, I'm going to stop here..My point has been made..
     
    03-04-2012, 10:04 PM
  #38
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Well, will there be a winner to the "I want to get the last word in" contest? Folks, it is time to stick to the question at hand and not hijack it with this silliness, please.

OP, I have had experience with both clay, stone dust and concrete. The barn we had concrete floors in also had heat built into the concrete. It was OK. I just seem to like the clay and dust floors, even if they do take maintenance and rehab now and then.

This was a place where I trained for years. It was called BARA Farms (now cactus creek ranch and sadly less well kept). The barns were passive solar and had the heated floors.



The barn also had brick aisles, which were slick and awful. Rubber bricks look just as good and are a heck of a lot safer.
DrumRunner likes this.
     
    03-04-2012, 10:11 PM
  #39
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Amazing barn Allison..I definitely agree that the brick is awful for footing..I've never had experience with the rubber brick but it seems like the better route to take. Most of the barns in my area, stall wise, are clay with a fitted mat on top and ofcouse shavings.
     
    03-05-2012, 12:04 AM
  #40
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Originally Posted by wguisbert54    
My wife and I are building a horse barn for our daughter. We know very little about horses. She is somewhat learning disabled and will be with us probably as long as we are around. She loves her horse, but now that she is done with school, and she is working, she needs "someone" to come home too!
As a dentist I would rather over-engineer something, rather than have to do it again. Doing something over again is expensive, a waste of time, and very aggravating!
My wife and I have poured over threads here about flooring options. We were at a horse expo at the Farmshow Building in Harrisburg, Pa yesterday. I hear lots of conflicting opinions. This is what I have sort of come up with: heavy plastic covering the pit, french drains (draining to the outside of the barn, #2b limestone (driveway variety), ground limestone dust tamped down with the thing that looks like jackhammers with a flat base, a stall grid, more ground limestone dust, then covered with a 3/4" rubber mat.
This may seem like overkill, but if I am paying 90 grand on a barn, what the heck and spend maybe 2 grand more and be done with it!
Or is this way overkill. Part of me agrees with the people who put rubber mats on cement, and like it just fine (what I heard mostly at the Horseshow yesterday)! This philosophy seems to follow the KISS principle very well!
But are there some unseen problems with the complex design that I came up with in order to addresses everybody's concerns I read in these threads?
Thanks to all!

I like the french drains, 2a limestone, dust, tamping, stall grids for the base flooring. For matting though, I'm all about the Stall Mattress and Waterproof Liners. A/ the horses can't scuff holes in the flooring, B/ the floors are very soft and forgiving because of the mattresses and C/ they're super fast to clean because of the liner and you save a lot of money by only having a small amount of bedding so they don't splash themselves. I do recommend a cement aisleway with interlocking rubber bricks for good footing, easy to clean, long lasting and cost effective.

The other tool I'll toss in there is the ShakenFork, it's got lithium batteries and shakes the bedding out for you. Saves a lot of time and is very easy on your arms and back. We have 2 and couldn't live without them. MANURE FORK, regular/mini-tine, basic/motorized, easier cleaning

Also, a manure spreader is a must have, grinds up the manure and scatters it, eliminating the manure mountain that builds up in the back yard.
Model 600 Mighty Manure Spreader by Country Manufacturing.

Didn't notice the part of the country you're in but if you can afford it, heating the barn is beyond AWESOME. It doesn't have to be hot, but 55-60 F sure makes things a lot nicer when you're working in the barn in the winter.

Good luck and kudos for being so supportive of your daughter;s horse habit! My dad was too and it sure made my life easier, and kept me & my sis out of trouble.
     

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