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post #11 of 33 Old 08-06-2012, 04:02 PM Thread Starter
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I forgot to mention - she came to me from the man who bought her (as a racing prospect) from her breeder... and TB people here don't handle their horses much if at all until they're ready to race. Magic is actually unusually well-handled, for a 2yo unraced unbroke TB that hasn't been fully registered, only foal recorded. It's pretty common for them to come to people completely wild, never even been halter broke. Especially the ones from sires that don't produce winners, like my girl. It's strange considering the bloodlines but Hartley's Spirit has not produced one single race winner.

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post #12 of 33 Old 08-06-2012, 04:38 PM
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Horses can kill themselves in many different situations. My round pen is made of 4 rail steel pipes and is not quite 6 ft tall. I've had horses try to jump out of it, jump through the bars, crawl under the bars and even had a foal or 2, accidentally roll underneath them and not be able to figure out how to get back IN to momma.

I've seen horses try to scale a 10 ft high wall in a solid bull pen, seen them go crashing head first into the walls when they decide to really try to escape.

99% of the time, the handler is the one who pushes too hard on the horse. As handlers we need to learn when to back off and take some of the pressure off. With young foals and weaners, yearlings and 2 year olds, we really need to learn to read their body language. Occasionally, there is the horse where nothing works, but that's a whole 'nuther story.

Even when the handler pushes a little too hard and the horse does something stupid, it turns out ok most of the time. I'm sorry you think your horse has broken vertebrae, if my horse had swelling and heat on her neck, I'd take her to the vet for a check up. If she's not broken, then time and a chiro can probably fix the problem.

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post #13 of 33 Old 08-06-2012, 04:46 PM
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7ft. seems a bit much for me....we have the regular metal panels and theyre what 5-6ft. our horses do fine with them. our round pen is over 60ft. in diameter so plenty of room for my 16.3 geldings and my 15hh mares.

horses will try anything. theylll try to go straight through it...one mare i used to have (14hh) tried to go straight through it. she literally lowered her head and just rammed it. so whether its tall enough or what it just depends on the horse. imo
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post #14 of 33 Old 08-06-2012, 05:34 PM
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height has been debated in the thread but my concern is the diameter..22feet makes it tight and difficult even for a seasoned horse to bend around..I'm sorry your kid went over the top but I'm real glad flight was chosen & not fight because those are some close quarters for a handler to stay safe!

when I first got one of my geldings he went over an indoor wall..he wasn't trying to jump it..he just didn't navigate the turn well and earned the name Wall--E for a while..lol
I do understand how scary that must of been..glad neither of you got hurt
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I forgot to mention - she came to me from the man who bought her (as a racing prospect) from her breeder... and TB people here don't handle their horses much if at all until they're ready to race. Magic is actually unusually well-handled, for a 2yo unraced unbroke TB that hasn't been fully registered, only foal recorded. It's pretty common for them to come to people completely wild, never even been halter broke. Especially the ones from sires that don't produce winners, like my girl. It's strange considering the bloodlines but Hartley's Spirit has not produced one single race winner.
Hi there,

Hartly's Spirit actually throws all over the place in regards to height. Majority of his foals mature between 15hh and ~16hh with colts/geldings mostly making up the taller horses. You may find 17hh will be stretching it and unlikely.

Most thoroughbreds are halter trained and well handled, especially ones from this stud. They do need to be manageable from a young age as the must stand somewhat pleasant for the vet to be registered and for if/when they go to sale. It is very uncommon that they aren't well handled before seeing a breaker.

You will find that if your horse has been DNA tested, assigned a life number and
Microchipped it is registered just unnamed. Again it's not uncommon for a thoroughbred to go unnamed right up until its ready for it's first trial. A lot will go to a pretrainer be in full work and go out for spell again before getting a race name.

As for Hartley's Spirit not producing a single winner this comment is completely untrue. There have been a few winners, most notably Can't Hartley Wait. His stud fee wouldn't be as high as it is if he had no winners.

It would be greatly appreciated if you could please not spread false misleading information as it can hurt the business of the stud.

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I was just repeating what I was told, RA. And, when describing my girl to people, I was told it wasn't uncommon for them to be that wild or wilder. I was also told, when I asked why she was free, that her sire hadn't produced any winners, so Magic wasn't worth bothering with as a racing prospect.

I was told that my girl had a full brother who is 17.1 but I'm not sure how "full" said brother is because I looked around in the online studbook and my girl is the only foal there out of her dam, so if a full sibling exists he is not registered. I say this because I am well aware that the online studbook has consistent records back to about 2003 and the sire is recorded as having been born in '03 so it's not possible for a full sibling to have been born before that date.

Like I said, Magic is actually pretty well handled, but when I first got her she was nearly untouchable. I did not buy her from the stud, I was given her by a man who purchased her as a racing prospect, and was told she was free to a good performance home (unbroke and untried) because her bloodlines were slow. In particular the sire's get.

So I am sorry if I was repeating untrue information but perhaps it would be wiser to take it up with the previous owner because he is who my information has come from.

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post #17 of 33 Old 08-07-2012, 03:36 AM
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Hi again,

The full brother is registered and has so far won $900. He is not 17.1hh.

Some of your 'information' can be seen as slander against the stud, breeder and previous owner. You are posting hearsay online. It has been asked nicely that you don't do this. We do not need to take anything up with the owner as it is you online spreading false information that can be seen. It is not good business to accuse an owner of slander etc without proof and hearsay is not valid proof.
We are simply asking that you only post things you know about your horse for fact not the things you have been told, that can not prove, and may be seen in a negative way against the stud/breeder and/or previous owner. For example comments on the stallion not producing winners etc.

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post #18 of 33 Old 08-07-2012, 03:40 AM Thread Starter
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Would you mind explaining to me why he doesn't show up in the studbook then? (under mare's progeny, have looked under unnamed progeny and my girl is the only one there, and have looked under named progeny and nothing shows up)

Some very odd things going on with this horse and what I have been told about her...

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Confirming your horse is by Hartley's Spirit from Virelay as stated in another of your posts, the full brother shows up perfectly fine. Named and registered. Perhaps you do not have full access to the stud book.
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Yep, she is, and maybe that's why, but idk why I would be able to find my girl (unnamed progeny, branded CM5 and 5 over 0) and not the full brother? Doesn't make sense to me...

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