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        01-04-2014, 09:54 AM
      #31
    Weanling
    Well obviously the shaving get spread around the first time the horses lay down, but I find that it does help when all the shavings are in the middle, that way they want to lay down in the very middle and they have room to roll to one side or the other without hitting the wall.
         
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        01-04-2014, 11:00 PM
      #32
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by eeo11horse    
    Well obviously the shaving get spread around the first time the horses lay down, but I find that it does help when all the shavings are in the middle, that way they want to lay down in the very middle and they have room to roll to one side or the other without hitting the wall.
    Yes and they get spread around less than if they were already spread around to begin with, then they just end up around the walls and a big swamp in the middle.
         
        01-05-2014, 01:17 AM
      #33
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Yogiwick    
    Yes and they get spread around less than if they were already spread around to begin with, then they just end up around the walls and a big swamp in the middle.
    Yeah I never really thought about it until I starting working there and now I do it to my stalls too.
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        01-05-2014, 01:56 AM
      #34
    Started
    I've been following this thread and I am really enjoying hearing everyone's different experiences. For my part, when I worked at a barn with large concrete stalls, we had rubber mats and bedded fairly deeply. It was fairly easy to clean, honestly, because as others have said, the urine and feces would stay were it was deposited and all I had to do was scoop and go. Except for a few horses. There was always one or two who did circles and laps and ground everything into a mess that had to be stripped daily for it to be sanitary.

    My horse now spends 12-18 hours a day in his 12x12 stall. Would love to turn him out more, but there's no grazing or food out there and too many pasture mates. Combine that with self-care and not being able to be out there more than twice a day and so it goes. I strip most his stall daily. It's rubber mats over gravel and I put only about an inch of shavings as he mixes everything together into a mess.

    After reading this, I am tempted to try bedding deeply again, especially with this cold snap (yes, that would be me anthropomorphizing deep bedding as 'cozy and warm'). But I doubt it will work as well as it did in the bigger stalls... Maybe my guy could earn a nickname other than Sir MixALot if it does though. I wonder if my horse would be one of the ones to need it stripped even in the bigger stalls.

    Rubber mats are essential though. Honestly, I can't imagine a stall with straight concrete on the bottom. I would think deeper bedding would really be essential if the horses had to spend any real time in them.
         
        01-05-2014, 11:21 AM
      #35
    Weanling
    Oh all of these horses with the exception of oh maybe a couple, spread everything-EVERYWHERE. Hay all over the place, pee hidden under shavings, pieces of manure slung every which way. A lot of the horses are young and like to circle around and so their stalls are usually pretty bad and some of them are just messy. But some of them actually poop in one spot. There was one horse that had a spot in the back corner of the stall with a huge pile of manure and he didn't go anywhere else. That's really nice. But there was also a horse that when I walked in the shavings were completely brown- everyday (the bedding when dry is like a creamish-pinkish color in the light).

    I would be the one to bed deeper but these horses have never had a problem and they seem to do just fine with the concrete floors. And these are expensive horses that are in training- they BOs wouldn't do anything if they didn't think it would be good for them. Anyway this is just one barn. The barn I usually work at has 12 stalls with concrete floors. Another barn has 15 and they are in the arena so they have dirt floors. The two other barns (one has 7 and the other has 10 stalls) are concrete but they have runs.
         
        01-05-2014, 08:09 PM
      #36
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by eeo11horse    
    Oh all of these horses with the exception of oh maybe a couple, spread everything-EVERYWHERE. Hay all over the place, pee hidden under shavings, pieces of manure slung every which way. A lot of the horses are young and like to circle around and so their stalls are usually pretty bad and some of them are just messy. But some of them actually poop in one spot. There was one horse that had a spot in the back corner of the stall with a huge pile of manure and he didn't go anywhere else. That's really nice. But there was also a horse that when I walked in the shavings were completely brown- everyday (the bedding when dry is like a creamish-pinkish color in the light).
    That to me is a reason by itself to bed deeper.

    Interesting- I just started working at a barn that has large deeply bedded stalls. Nothing fancy (banks/special shavings/etc) just lots of nice bedding. The stalls are large as I said. You get the pee and any big piles and then just "look" for other piles. You don't sift (I asked why and the response was sifting breaks off little pieces and makes it dirtier in the long run, haven't heard of anywhere doing that before but makes sense). The stalls are easy to clean and save a lot of shavings. They are actually very clean (I was surprised since it's impossible not to miss some doing it that way).

    I definitely think in the long run it's cheaper/saves shavings to bed deeply as opposed to lightly. You will take a lot less out, as opposed to stripping the stalls every day. (Obviously depends on the horse and isn't applicable if you only use a tiny bit of shavings, I'm talking about actual bedding)
         
        01-05-2014, 08:40 PM
      #37
    Foal
    Problem with deep bedding is when poop gets buried. Wouldn't get broken up, but it was a pain sifting th 4-5 inches to get it all. Sift the center, flick the edges into the center, sift again, flick it to the outside, flick it back in. Of course, that was only one day a week.

    On rubber mats, I like 5 inches max just for the sifting problem. With such stalls, I find poop builds up under the banks (part next to the wall that isn't disturbed) but I'm restricted to two inches max, and therefore the full care. The barn owned oftentimes were on patchy covering or wasted hay. Never had puddles though.
         
        01-05-2014, 08:48 PM
      #38
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Kotori    
    Problem with deep bedding is when poop gets buried. Wouldn't get broken up, but it was a pain sifting th 4-5 inches to get it all. Sift the center, flick the edges into the center, sift again, flick it to the outside, flick it back in. Of course, that was only one day a week.

    On rubber mats, I like 5 inches max just for the sifting problem. With such stalls, I find poop builds up under the banks (part next to the wall that isn't disturbed) but I'm restricted to two inches max, and therefore the full care. The barn owned oftentimes were on patchy covering or wasted hay. Never had puddles though.
    I completely agree, hate sifting through all that bedding to find nothing, even if you go fast it's a pain. That's why this new barn (if you read my previous post) was so interesting. Get out the obvious stuff only sifting if you have to. Then (WITHOUT sifting unless you need to) flick through any area that looks like it may have manure in it. Takes less than half the time of sifting through the whole thing. It's annoying with the horses that turn up their bedding into large piles here and there, but it's annoying no matter the method
         
        01-06-2014, 12:14 PM
      #39
    Weanling
    So normally I don't have to clean this barn very many days in a row but this week I was on the schedule for Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat, and Sun. Thankfully I'm off today (the high for today is 5 degrees F). And in being there for 3 consecutive days I realized that they got easier to clean. Fri they were kinda bad, Sat they were better, and yesterday they were not bad at all. I'm not saying I'm the best stall cleaner in the world but I know for a fact that I clean better than some people that work there and I think that who cleans the stall and how well they clean has a direct effect on how good/ bad the stalls look the next day. The horses that are really messy are still going to be messy but the horses that keep their stalls somewhat clean looked really good. There were just piles and there were still a lot of clean shavings.
         
        01-07-2014, 02:10 AM
      #40
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by eeo11horse    
    So normally I don't have to clean this barn very many days in a row but this week I was on the schedule for Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat, and Sun. Thankfully I'm off today (the high for today is 5 degrees F). And in being there for 3 consecutive days I realized that they got easier to clean. Fri they were kinda bad, Sat they were better, and yesterday they were not bad at all. I'm not saying I'm the best stall cleaner in the world but I know for a fact that I clean better than some people that work there and I think that who cleans the stall and how well they clean has a direct effect on how good/ bad the stalls look the next day. The horses that are really messy are still going to be messy but the horses that keep their stalls somewhat clean looked really good. There were just piles and there were still a lot of clean shavings.


    Hear, hear...
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