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    10-27-2011, 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by Delfina    

You better believe that a month later when her newborn needed to be hospitalized, the first thing I said was don't worry about the horses. I took care of the entire barn until her baby was home and doing well enough for her to be able to do more than run down to the barn a couple times a day and do a fast check on all the horses and I wasn't looking for a break in my board. A couple months of barn cleaning and chores was more than a fair trade for her going over and above in her care for my horse.
I would rather get paid for my time and pay for their time so I know it's fair and no one ever feels taken advantage of. I even have to pay my dad (who lives at the barn) to feed a few mornings a week!

Originally Posted by Speed Racer    

The horse and BO both live on the property, so her walking the horse for 40 minutes while the owner is in transit does in no way, shape, or form compare to a child left at daycare for an extra hour.

Instead of her being disingenuous and saying how inexpensive her board is, maybe she should just up the **** boarding fee instead of thinking her boarders owe her money every time she does more than look at a horse in passing, or dump feed in its bucket.
I DON"T live on the property. I use to. My dad lives on the property. My husband and I are currently having a house built out there and will move back this spring.

So I should up my board to $500 so that 18 of my boarders are covering the bills of the 2 high maintenance ones and just in case their horse ever gets hurt? So do you think that's fair to the boarder whose horse has been with me for two years, doesn't get a blanket, eats 1 lb of grain and has never had so much as a scratch?!

Originally Posted by Delfina    
Are you sure that there isn't a fee for looking at the horse? I'm sure if the horse knocks it's bucket over or poops in it, there's a fee because it's now "difficult" to feed that horse.

I notice the farrier option is trims or front shoes only. So what about horses with back shoes? Is a fee charged to hold that horse for another few minutes while the back shoes are put on?

I'm still perplexed as to the nightmare that must be involved in keeping track of how many of the allotted bags of shavings each horse has used each month. Do you have a partial bag of shavings hanging out in front of each stall, so you can add as needed, since you can't take a single bag and top up everyone's stalls. Do the neat and tidy horses get a discount on board, while the stall pigs pay extra?
I obviously don't charge to "look" at a horse. Where are your, and SpeedRacer's manners? Do you not know how to nicely relay your opinion? Be careful, I may send you a bill for being a PITA.

Pasture boarded horses can not have back shoes. Stall horses who are turned out with a much smaller group of the same horses can. No I don't charge to stand there an extra 10 minutes. In fact, I don't stand there the whole time for the farrier. Cross ties do that for me. I'm in the close vicinity if he needs me. I'll go catch more horses, switch them out.. or sit on the tail gait and just chit chat about how he's doing.

Shavings- Not hard people. Staff take notes on what they did every day on their time sheets. Also the bags I use are local. They are not the same sized bags you get from Tractor Supply and they are very fine cut. Most horses go through 4 or 5 bags a month. Limiting the bags of shavings allows me to more accurately control cost. For example: Lets say it rains a ton and horses are in double the time and I have to go through double the shavings. That's an $800 hit to my budget! Drought causes hay prices to go up... rain causes us to go through more shavings.. Horse owners (including myself) have to pay the increased amount. It's part of horse ownership. Each horse owner would have to pay $33 for double shavings. Since I own 5, that means I'm paying $165! It sucks the worse for me.
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    10-27-2011, 02:20 PM
TurnNBurn... I don't know of a barn under $800 a month that includes grooming and all of those things you mentioned. I will certainly do all of those things but just be prepared to get a bill that is substantially more than my normal $400.
    10-27-2011, 02:38 PM
Originally Posted by starlinestables    
TurnNBurn... I don't know of a barn under $800 a month that includes grooming and all of those things you mentioned. I will certainly do all of those things but just be prepared to get a bill that is substantially more than my normal $400.

Personally if you feel you need to charge extras then maybe you need to look into raising your board, but doing it in increments.
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    10-27-2011, 02:51 PM
I've read every page because I've often dealt these issues myself as a BM. I also went and looked at your website, boarding agreement ect. I must say that I love your website. Few spelling/grammar things but very nice. I too had some of the same concerns after reading some of the other posts but you answered every question I had. After going through your website, I think the way you do things is very smart and can see why you do them. A little tedious but if you're willing to do it so be it! Some months I'm rolling in the dough, others I'm eating ramen noodles because I go through double the shavings or more grain/hay. I'm checking out that billing website now. Scheduling lessons online? I'm drooling.

To the original point: Time is money. I agree that you should be paid for your time because vets and farriers do it to. Hell my farrier charges if the hooves aren't clean before he shoes them! Your contract states what you do provide. Your FAQ section says what you do include as far as first aid goes. I think you are well with in your right to ask for compensation. $40? I was thinking more like $20.

Hope that helps! I hope it's ok that I sent you an email with a few questions about the online lesson scheduling thing too.
    10-27-2011, 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by SaddleOnline    
If you don't mention charging for emergency services in your boarding agreement, I don't think you can fairly charge her for the hour. Fact is, this is what life with horses is about and sometimes you just have to take the blows as they come. Hopefully, if you're not there one day and one of your horses suddenly colics, someone will be there to take care of it and walk it for you without a second thought.
This is exactly what I was going to say, at my barn we have an itemized list of everything they charge for and how much it is. Unless its in the contract- can't charge for it.
    10-27-2011, 03:10 PM
My trainer (the owner of the farm) has schedule of fees for extras put in kitchen and bathroom (like $10 to hold the horse for the vet, $20 to pull the mane, and so on). I think it's very reasonable: those services are something owner can do himself (blanketing and fly mask are included). And if the owner can't he/she pays for the time of someone who can (usually BM or one of the helpers).
    10-27-2011, 03:40 PM
Originally Posted by bubba13    
I cannot believe you only pay $5 to use someone else's horse in a lesson.
Exactly. That is taking advantage of the boarder. Usually if using a horse for lessons you would pay all the expenses on a horse. At 5.00 bucks a pop you would have to give 40 lessons a month just to cover a measily 200.00 a month in board not including farrier and vet care.
    10-27-2011, 03:43 PM
Originally Posted by starlinestables    

On farrier days, I hike across 60 acres to catch and hold for the farrier.. I will typically groom them/flyspray while they are being done.
This is something that the owner should handle. If they are not available then you should charge for this. This isn't your job to catch a horse out of a pasture for the farrier. If they are stalled the farrier should be able to do it themselves or decline to do the horse if they need a handler nand the owner does not arrange it.
    10-27-2011, 04:09 PM
Ok I looked at your site and was astonished that you charge 22.00 for a trim including catching and holding the horse. That is way low so you only have yourself to blame. I would think you would have better things to do with your time. I pay 30.00 for a trim and I am holding the horse.

Another thing I want to mention is that if you get 100.00 for a lesson would you think it fair to charge 100.00 for walking? Was there not anyone else there that could have walked the horse while you were giving your lesson? Could the horse have been tied up so it couldn't lay down?

I also think you should have made it clear to the owner to come now as you had a lesson coming.

I also thought your charge of .30 a pd for extra grain seemed odd? That is only 4.50 a 50lb bag. That sound like really cheap grain. You may need some help on how and what to charge for as some stuff you seem to give away somethings and that is why you are not making any money.

At 265.00 a month for pasture board you should have a hefty profit on those horses
    10-27-2011, 05:45 PM
I didn't read all the posts but most of them. I agree with not charging for the walking in case of the emergency especially when they got there asap. But if this horse causes damage to the property often like you mentioned, I would ask for something to cover what was ruined. That might make me sound mean or something but I think that's only fair. That way you can cover some costs of repairs and still have respect for handling emergencies. I feel its the owners responibility if the horse ruins the facility therefore the owner should chip in

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