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post #21 of 77 Old 01-05-2013, 06:51 PM
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Mmmmmm, so by this admission, Rollkur, rapping, etc etc etc. should be non issue.

... right?
Don't forget illegal drugging...
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post #22 of 77 Old 01-05-2013, 06:53 PM
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Don't forget illegal drugging...
Now drugs and you have an argument. Horses should be tested in my opinion same as on the track.
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post #23 of 77 Old 01-05-2013, 06:56 PM
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Good lord, really?

We're comparing practices across various horse disciplines to help elucidate a point, which is; just because you're winning doesn't mean that no one else can judge your behavior. Which was brought up by the comments about "I'm not going to judge because he's winning" and "who are you to judge, you aren't winning" and the like.
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post #24 of 77 Old 01-05-2013, 07:07 PM
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We're not talking about Gaited Horses, it's Barrel Racing. It's like comparing apples to oranges. I am not going to critique Someone's riding style if their at the top. It's not my place. I don't like wire tie downs or any tie down, but I'm not going to get worked up about someone using one. A tie down used correctly is not going to cause much pain. In my experience horses don't brace on the tie down they avoid it and don't get strung out.
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It's not an issue of riding disciplines but what are you willing to do to win. My example of the spiral breaks was/is a western facility.
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Now drugs and you have an argument. Horses should be tested in my opinion same as on the track.
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In dressage horses are drug tested, bit checked, regulated right down to no color enhancing shampoos. Wish we had it as easy as the racers.
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My comment was in reference the the futurity, NFR, ect winners in this sport. Obviously I don't agree with soring a horse to win
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BarrelRacer, a barrel horse does not avoid the tie-down, they use it to balance. A horse that does all it can to avoid the tie-down during a run isnt going to win very often (especially at these levels).

The principal is relatively the same in the gaited/barrel racing comparison. Why is a thin wire tiedown so different than a sored Walker? The principal is that pain is inflicted to get the desired response. Same thing, different subject matter.

I will add a tie-down onto my tack when I get ST ready for speed on her patterns, so that she can use it to help herself. I will not put a wire anywhere near my horse in general, so why's it okay for some big name show guy to stick a piece of wire on a horse's face (of all places)? Its not. Wire is dangerous, and Im sure you've seen some injuried due to wire. What happens if the horse geta tripped up on bad footing somewhere (that looked safe) and ends up with a leg between it? I won't put my horse at risk like that for ANY amount of money/fame.

I agree that the futurities push for young horses to be pushed too hard and ridden in "fix-it" equiptment. While everyone could opt to bring the horse to it's potential age-wise, we (collective) decide to push as far as we can and past their limits, only to have them retired prematurely because of arthritis or injuries (or what-have-you).
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Practices that cause pain are not discipline specific. Pain is pain to the horse, and regardless of what style riding it is, or how many wins the rider has because of the pain-inflicting practice, wrong is wrong and should be judged accordingly. If someone is so determined to win that they no longer care about the result to the animal they are riding, they need to find a sport that doesn't have living "equipment" to damage.

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post #29 of 77 Old 01-05-2013, 07:25 PM
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That's my opinion. My whole point of saying that is the OP makes it sound like anyone can go out and win. Not true. That's my point. I've seen a lot of horses noses damaged from wire or steel tie downs, they usually aren't winning and I do not agree with it. Mainly my whole comment was directed at the riding, the comment everyone quoted is my simplified version.
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post #30 of 77 Old 01-05-2013, 07:45 PM
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I'm not going to judge someone who is winning unless he or she is doing something blatantly obvious that is causing the horses pain, or unless the rider/trainer is 'outed' by the real judges and it becomes known that he or she was doing something to cause injury or pain to the horse in order to win.
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