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post #21 of 60 Old 09-02-2013, 10:23 AM
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I honestly have no idea how someone could ride properly with their boot jammed so far in their stirrups.
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Well looks like Sherry can (and she is one of the quietest and best riders in the industry; love watching her run!).




And Tammy Fischer.....





And Brittany Pozzi.....





I honestly don't know how you can prevent your foot from jamming up in the stirrup when barrel racing or pole bending or any other speed event. And Sherry doesn't wear rubber bands so it isn't the rubber bands doing it.
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I've never heard of using rubber bands but I don't barrel race. I know that it isn't the best thing to have your foot way into the stirrups but I tend to do it when riding a green horse. I have a friend that trains the old cowboy way, get on and ride it out. He rides most of the time with his feet "jammed" into the stirrups.
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Beau, I've never gotten my feet jammed that far into my stirrup making a run..
Also, what I see in those pictures (not bashing riders as I like watching their runs just as much as the next person..) is toes down and not heels. Pozzi has the best leg/heel position out of those three you posted.

I will say though that position and a secure seat does get put on the backburner sometimes when money is on the line. But, I could NOT have my feet jammed into the stirrups like that. My feet barely fit in roper stirrups (can't use oxbow, aluminum, etc) and I should order custom oversized stirrups but haven't. If I were to come off with my feet that far in the stirrups, I have no doubt I'd be dragged for quite awhile, my feet are just too wide to easily come back out.

I only barely have my toes in the stirrups on green/problem horses. I can ride a buck, rear, spin, bolt, etc without the need for stirrups. I use the stirrups to get on, and I keep them on only to keep them out of my way while I'm riding. The horses I start get taught to back with weight in the stirrups and a lighter seat, weight in stirrups and deep seat is a stop. Honestly, I don't understand how people use stirrups to stay on, they don't help me aside from letting me stand up in them for something.
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Beau, I've never gotten my feet jammed that far into my stirrup making a run..
Also, what I see in those pictures (not bashing riders as I like watching their runs just as much as the next person..) is toes down and not heels. Pozzi has the best leg/heel position out of those three you posted.

I will say though that position and a secure seat does get put on the backburner sometimes when money is on the line. But, I could NOT have my feet jammed into the stirrups like that. My feet barely fit in roper stirrups (can't use oxbow, aluminum, etc) and I should order custom oversized stirrups but haven't. If I were to come off with my feet that far in the stirrups, I have no doubt I'd be dragged for quite awhile, my feet are just too wide to easily come back out.

I only barely have my toes in the stirrups on green/problem horses. I can ride a buck, rear, spin, bolt, etc without the need for stirrups. I use the stirrups to get on, and I keep them on only to keep them out of my way while I'm riding. The horses I start get taught to back with weight in the stirrups and a lighter seat, weight in stirrups and deep seat is a stop. Honestly, I don't understand how people use stirrups to stay on, they don't help me aside from letting me stand up in them for something.
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Exactly what I was going to say, yeah those riders make a ton of money and are successful but toes down and legs bent up behind you are not the right way to ride, I don't care how Successful they are, that's not the way it should be done.. They ARE excellent riders especially Pozzi. But if I posted a picture with that position everyone would pick out those exact things. When you shove your boot into a stirrup and point your toes down it throws you off balance and throws you forward and that is fact.
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Perfect riding isn't always effective riding. You can see this at every high level sport. Olympic jumpers aren't perfect all the time either.

People who are out running barrels for their living, or constantly every weekend, band in. It's just how it is. They don't do it at home or in the warmup, but why not in a run? Where's the reason? Sure a lot of girls use it as a crutch, but what about those of us who use it as a legitimate reason?

I've run the barrel pattern bareback, but I still band in. I can survive with a lost stirrup, but why would I want to when there's cheap insurance? This isn't an equitation event. Whoever stops the clock first wins, and I want to do everything I can to be that person. That being said, I also never ran with bands until around this year. The mare I have now is by far the hardest horse to run I've ever had, but she's starting to really clock.

As for little kids, I can see having a young kid banded in. HOWEVER, I can also see how they would learn to rely on it. I see lead-line kids banded in. I also see really fast peewees banded in. However, I very rarely see pony-loping kids banded in.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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The lesson student of mine loping the barrel pattern on her nice mare and thought bands looked cool, I will not allow it. I'm sorry but I'm not the type to accept sloppy riding (not accusing any of y'all) just because it's competition time. I don't care if my horse is firing and running top of the 1D, if I watch my run and see a sloppy leg, or I'm all up on ones neck, I WILL work my ass off to fix it because that means it can be better. I'll have to agree to disagree with SorrelHorse's quote, because I STRONGLY believe that perfect riding is effective riding.



You can ride without feet banded, jammed and toes pointed down. And that's a hard turning son of a gun that'll leave you on your ass if you so much as think about getting out of tune with his turn.

As for kids, I refuse to band a kids foot to a stirrup, they'll learn how to keep them in on their own and not use bands as a crutch.

To each their own, but I can see buying a $60,000 barrel horse that was already trained, not worrying about my riding and just worry about hanging on and making money.

As for me, I've been on a crap load of $30k-$60k barrel horses, never with bands, never with my feet jammed to the heel. I'll continue striving to be the absolute best rider I can be, and continue the full time lesson/ barrel horse trainer job that I'm so thankful for.
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And by no means am I accusing anyone of being a sloppy rider, I've seen some of SorrelHorse's videos and kudos to you, you really are a great rider, soft hands, nice seat and strong leg.
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I'm not saying you should accept anything less than good riding. In practice, I make sure all of it is perfect for the sake of muscle memory.

However, when I go in to run, I'm thinking all about run fast and turn hard. I'm not thinking "Oh...Looks like my heels could be down a smidge more, and maybe my leg might be a touch too far back...Guess I better fix it."

To quote the people who yell at me from the sidelines, I'm thinking "HUSTLE HUSTLE. SIT. LOOK. KICK. RIDE ALL THE WAY. SIT SIT SIT!" Kind of hard not to when I have such loud mouths telling me to do all that stuff...Gotta love them though.

I work for a reined cowhorse trainer right now, and he's in the hall of fame. We don't always get along but he did tell me this kind of thing. It's something both the trainer I grew up with and he have said, in different ways of course.

"Michaela, practice perfect, but when you're showing keep your head in the game and focus on only what you have to do next. Your body and your horse will remember what to do." (This was before a recent show where I was worried about my left leg, which has had a little trouble coming back from an accident)


I can see both sides of this argument, and see how both sides are legitimate.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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And by no means am I accusing anyone of being a sloppy rider, I've seen some of SorrelHorse's videos and kudos to you, you really are a great rider, soft hands, nice seat and strong leg.
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I certainly hope no one thinks you are accusing them of sloppy riding...Otherwise the forums would be up in flames by now, LOL

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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See you stated it perfectly. If you practice enough, and work at it, it becomes muscle memory. I never think about my legs/heels, but being on different horses for sometimes 8 hours a day, it becomes natural. If I see a mistake in a competition video, I work harder on that. Oh and jealous of the working for a cow horse trainer, I only got to do it for a short while. Hunter jumper, then cutting, then barrel racing, and ranch work have molded me into a diverse rider but I still want to do different things, it truly makes you a better rider. Barrel racing is where my heart is though. The Tammy Fischer photo got to me because her leg is so far back and toes pointed at the ground I bet she had a death grip on the horn.. no way you're riding efficiently with your seat like that, I would have beat myself up over that. To each their own, but I believe that several riders, and I can name a few on this board just from watching videos.. if they had a $70,000 horse of that caliber, with their ability they worked their tail off for, they could blow some of the top riders out of the water.
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