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post #11 of 24 Old 04-16-2012, 03:45 PM
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Just gonna quote myself here since you seem to have missed my point. I never gave a deffinative statement about anything other than if harsh hands are attached to the bit, then it will be harsh.

I think we're all trying to say the same thing here and just aren't communicating to each other quite right.

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But remember, every bit can be soft or harsh depending on who is on the other end of the reins.
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Any bit will work but that curved jointed mouthpice is really the most anatomicly gentle thing there is.

Now if you take to jerking on that snaffel it becomes a terrible thing just like with any other bit.
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Well that goes back to it mattering most about how the rider uses the bit. I don't have anything against curb bits other than I think useing that alternate pressure in lue of training is wrong.

So whose to say what bit will be right for the horse other than the horse?
My preference is snaffels for the resons above just as you have your preference and reasons, and that works :)

I just like to encourage everyone to try and use as little bit as possible.

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post #12 of 24 Old 04-16-2012, 03:53 PM
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in my honest opinion if you can't do it in a snaffel on a loose rein you shouldn't be doing it.
No, we're communicating quite fine...I'm saying your above statement or "opinion" is JUST that.. An opinion, not a fact..

I clearly got your point, but it has zero to do with the OP's thread.. She asked about a bit for her horse, a certain bit. Telling her she has a training issue and shouldn't be riding her horse unless she can do it with a loose rein and a snaffle has ZERO to do with this..

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No, we're communicating quite fine...I'm saying your above statement or "opinion" is JUST that.. An opinion, not a fact..

I clearly got your point, but it has zero to do with the OP's thread.. She asked about a bit for her horse, a certain bit. Telling her she has a training issue and shouldn't be riding her horse unless she can do it with a loose rein and a snaffle has ZERO to do with this..
The op asked:"What bits do you use? How is you horse to handle? Iím trying to get ideas of bits? With want I said could you give me an hint of an good bit for her?"

And based on what she said about her horse, being soft mouthed, good with leg cues, but maybe not refined enough to be ridden in a halter, I see no problem in suggesting she just try out a snaffel. Who knows, it could work great, or it could be like one of the other horses mentioned and just hate snaffels.

My statement pertaining to training V.S. using a harsh bit still stands, if you feel yourself reaching for a twisted wire, a long shank, or any other corrective bit I would urdge you to instead look for holes in your training. But i didn't mean to imply that the OP needs to go back and work on training simply beacuse she's considering useing that Jr. cowhorse bit. It's a jointed mouthpice and not too thin. So if that's what you got out of my statement I appologize for being unclear.

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At this point I'm going to choose to walk away because I just feel like it's not even getting through to you. I'm guessing you're still quite young and have a lot to learn, good luck with your bit theory..

OP, as I said before, the Jr Cowhorse should be a very good bit for you..Good luck.
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in my honest opinion if you can't do it in a snaffel on a loose rein you shouldn't be doing it. Work on training (natural aids) rahter than utilizing forceful artificial aides(curb bits etc.).
I don't think a curb bit would be anymore artificial than a snaffle.
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post #16 of 24 Old 04-16-2012, 04:35 PM
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I've also been through a couple different snaffels before I found one that my horse acceped willingly.
So your saying even with snaffles you had to work at it to find the right one? Seems to be this way with any bit from type to type or even within the same type. I just hate to think I now have to stop riding because I do not do it in a snaffle. lol.

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in my honest opinion if you can't do it in a snaffel on a loose rein you shouldn't be doing it. Work on training (natural aids) rahter than utilizing forceful artificial aides(curb bits etc.).

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It'd SNAFFLE not SNAFFEL. Sorry just something I'm OCD about.

When you come into a thread and make the above statement foremost....people tend to get defensive or turn a deaf ear. I think people get hung up on the fact that a soft horse= responsive at a competitive level in a snaffle. Horses are so ambiguous that you can't really cram them all into a particular category.

My point is people tend to get to hung up on being politically correct and snaffle "groupies" rather than focusing on what works for their horse.
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in my honest opinion if you can't do it in a snaffel on a loose rein you shouldn't be doing it. Work on training (natural aids) rahter than utilizing forceful artificial aides(curb bits etc.).

But remember, every bit can be soft or harsh depending on who is on the other end of the reins.
I agree with this ..... to a point.

I want all of my horses to always be able to ride in anything. From a halter, to a snaffle, to whatever. I see the bit as being an "alternative aid" that is complimentary to your legs, seat, and body.

So even though I will use more advanced bits for their specific purpose of refinement and better cues (which is their purpose), I like knowing that I could toss on an ol' snaffle and still be able to do everything. Maybe not as refined as with the speciality curb bit, but still can.

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Bits can be so confusing, and my new mare I got to find a bit for. I will be starting her out in an Jr. Cowhorse Bit, and she is really soft mouthed and listens to leg cues. She was trained in an barrel low ported curb for western pleasure. I have also used used an halter on her, but donít think it would have stopped her if we started loping. What bits do you use? How is you horse to handle? Iím trying to get ideas of bits? With want I said could you give me an hint of an good bit for her?
I use a Jr Cowhorse on my barrel horse right now for competition and he works well in it. He is very naturally ratey and mostly just needs help in his turns. For normal riding, I use a short shanked curb with a broken dogbone mouthpiece. But as I alluded to above, I could ride him around in a halter. Or a snaffle. And stop him at any time, no problem. But he works better in the bit I do ride him in. So I use what works better.

The only thing I could work on him is riding with a piece of twine around his neck ..... bridleless! I have done it before, goofing around, and he'll stop from a walk but I doubt he'd pay attention if we really "get going". Once I get done with school and get back home, I'd actually like to work on that with him. Something fun to do and will make him more responsive.

So on that note, just a thought on not being able to stop your horse in a halter, do you have an arena or safe enclosed area you could practice that and teach your horse that? Wouldn't hurt. Of course I wouldn't want you to go galloping around the countryside in a halter if she indeed wouldn't stop with it. That wouldn't be safe. But it certainly won't hurt anything except potentially make your horse pay attention to you better.

But go ahead and try the Jr Cowhorse. YOu never know how a horse is going to take to a bit until you try it. And it may not work -- who knows! You may have to try several bit designs until you find the one the works the best for the both of you.
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This bit thing is all neat to me. Yes, I could ride her in a snaffle and probably be fine, but this mare will get an little bet big head for a few mintues once I get her moving. Matter of fact, I have only had her since Easter, but rode her 3 times, since I got her. She would probably stop with an halter, but she does need work on stopping to my seat. Eventually, I would like to try to ride her with this the halter in the trails. She isn’t an hard ride. I rode her for about 10 mintues bareback in the Jr. Cowhorse bit, and she hated it. I’m going to try it once or twice more for longer periods, she didn’t want to back in it, and chewed on it the whole time. Since, it was bareback, we didn’t really work on anything. At the time, I mostly only have trails to do training on, we have a good board deal, but with that is no arean. I can ride in the pasture, which is where barrel training will take place, but I can’t ride in the pasture if it’s wet. I will be hauling to an arena, about once an mouth or so for training, but might actually try riding her in this the halter there to see.

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