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    05-21-2011, 11:07 AM
  #111
Green Broke
I'm sorry folks, I am really not trying to trash barrel racing it just genuinely angers me when a sport I love is the focus of such blatant abuse. Yes, all disciplines are bad, but barrel racing has ZERO policing and there is nothing to stop you from running your horse in barbed wire if you really wanted.

Vicious bits, ugly hands, asses out of the saddle two feet with every kick to the point of almost falling off do NOT serve to paint a pretty picture of barrel racing. And as much as it may seem as if I'm attacking the sport and it's participants, my focus is ONLY on these bimbo nitwits who think yanking, kicking and a horse that walks into the ring on it's back legs are how to barrel race. And unfortunately for the rest of you, they dominate the ring.

Yes I agree, the 4D thing is probably the worst thing for barrel racing. But I see this crap even at the top level.

SAsamone - it is statements like yours that make me so angry. Barrel horses are "hyper" and need more control? That is the biggest load of bloody BS I've ever heard in my life. The best barrel racer in our area right now in our area has a gorgeous Paint stud. He is completely trained in reining maneuvers and is the CALMEST horse you've ever seen. She can take him into any ring at a walk, with or without barrels, ride in the ring, do the barrels at any speed she wants and has ZERO issues. When it's time to run, she gives him a few cues, gets him back on his haunches and GOES. He stops on a dime. And he WINS. Everything in sight. His rider doesn't kick and whip him, she sits quiet and low and he gives her everything he's got.

He has been trained to the nines, he has the perfect docile Paint temperament, and he still beats everyone else because he has quiet controlled speed instead of FREAKING out the minute he sees a barrel pattern and having a rider bouncing like a sack of potatoes on him.

So I apologize if it seems I attack the sport, I don't mean to. But it really pisses me off when people whine about how abusive rodeo is, and never look into the next ring and how cruel women can be to their horses. And yes, I have watched MANY sports growing up, and abuse is in all of them, but some definitely stand out a lot more then others.

If you can run like the woman I described in a chain bit, all the power to you, THAT is proper and acceptable usage of a big bit. But no, I can never advocate chain or wire or whatever other kind of big powerful bit usage in the vast majority of hands I've seen in a barrel ring. The very act of advocating it as a barrel bit makes every idiot in tight pants with a fast horse think she can be the next Sharon Camarillo with a mouthful of metal and that pains me deeply.
     
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    05-21-2011, 11:33 AM
  #112
Super Moderator
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1RedHorse    
Let me get this straight, in the year 2011, barrel racing is WORSE than it was in the late 60s? Please.

I never saw any form of combination bit in those days. No one I knew used anything but snaffles or simple curbs. Did they jerk and smack their horses, yup.

Curb chains are given ATLEAST an inch of room, and are only engaged if the bit is fully engaged.

Put your hand under that curb chain. It doesn't take much to engage it and start having an effect. I use a curb chain on my double bridles. I am sure I have a good idea of how they operate.


You seem to think that all barrel racers slap a twisted wire long shank, or a curb on a horses mouth. Your small mindedness is beginning to make you look ignorant.

You show me ANY post I have made that shows I think ALL barrel racers are abusive. I was directing my posts solely at people who feel they need the bits I was addressing. There are many fine riders who use technique and training to perform excellent barrel rides. If you are directly affected by my words and feeling the sting, sorry. Maybe it's time to reevaluate.

Actually, alot a BRs are starting to use little S hacks and gag snaffles.

I acknowledge the fine riders who can run barrels without such harsh bits.
I am not holding ANY discipline blameless of harshness and cruelty. Every discipline, including mine, have their own skeletons.
     
    05-21-2011, 12:40 PM
  #113
Super Moderator
OOOPS

Correction. I was looking at an old photo of me and my sisters at a show. My horse was running barrels in a hack. It was adjusted so loosely, I wonder it was little more than a halter.
     
    05-21-2011, 03:01 PM
  #114
jdw
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
I'm sorry folks, I am really not trying to trash barrel racing it just genuinely angers me when a sport I love is the focus of such blatant abuse. Yes, all disciplines are bad, but barrel racing has ZERO policing and there is nothing to stop you from running your horse in barbed wire if you really wanted.

Vicious bits, ugly hands, asses out of the saddle two feet with every kick to the point of almost falling off do NOT serve to paint a pretty picture of barrel racing. And as much as it may seem as if I'm attacking the sport and it's participants, my focus is ONLY on these bimbo nitwits who think yanking, kicking and a horse that walks into the ring on it's back legs are how to barrel race. And unfortunately for the rest of you, they dominate the ring.

Yes I agree, the 4D thing is probably the worst thing for barrel racing. But I see this crap even at the top level.

SAsamone - it is statements like yours that make me so angry. Barrel horses are "hyper" and need more control? That is the biggest load of bloody BS I've ever heard in my life. The best barrel racer in our area right now in our area has a gorgeous Paint stud. He is completely trained in reining maneuvers and is the CALMEST horse you've ever seen. She can take him into any ring at a walk, with or without barrels, ride in the ring, do the barrels at any speed she wants and has ZERO issues. When it's time to run, she gives him a few cues, gets him back on his haunches and GOES. He stops on a dime. And he WINS. Everything in sight. His rider doesn't kick and whip him, she sits quiet and low and he gives her everything he's got.

He has been trained to the nines, he has the perfect docile Paint temperament, and he still beats everyone else because he has quiet controlled speed instead of FREAKING out the minute he sees a barrel pattern and having a rider bouncing like a sack of potatoes on him.

So I apologize if it seems I attack the sport, I don't mean to. But it really pisses me off when people whine about how abusive rodeo is, and never look into the next ring and how cruel women can be to their horses. And yes, I have watched MANY sports growing up, and abuse is in all of them, but some definitely stand out a lot more then others.

If you can run like the woman I described in a chain bit, all the power to you, THAT is proper and acceptable usage of a big bit. But no, I can never advocate chain or wire or whatever other kind of big powerful bit usage in the vast majority of hands I've seen in a barrel ring. The very act of advocating it as a barrel bit makes every idiot in tight pants with a fast horse think she can be the next Sharon Camarillo with a mouthful of metal and that pains me deeply.
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Not all barrel racers are this cruel, but I would say 99% ARE. Sad, and I agree with you. There DOES need to be some regulations. I don't race anymore; I bought a barrel horse years later, and I can see what it does to some. (Maybe all) He is jumpy and gets uptight and nervous anytime we start riding, and its all from his years of being used to run barrels. His mouth is hard and he runs through evrything we have tried. The competitive/performance horses are used to perform only and are not used as rounded out horses. (used to pleasure, competition, and a general mount) It ruins alot of horses, and their after lives.
     
    05-21-2011, 03:46 PM
  #115
Weanling
^^Case and point! Did you hear that Macabre? Running horses in barrels WILL desensitize their mouth and WILL cause them to be jumpy and jittery. If that lady has a horse trained out the Azzzzzz.....all the power to her, I'm glad she does- but 99% of barrel horses aren't like that- when they go, they GO and they aren't joking around. So you can be "angry" at my statement all you want- it's fact.
     
    05-21-2011, 03:51 PM
  #116
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by SAsamone    
^^Case and point! Did you hear that Macabre? Running horses in barrels WILL desensitize their mouth and WILL cause them to be jumpy and jittery. If that lady has a horse trained out the Azzzzzz.....all the power to her, I'm glad she does- but 99% of barrel horses aren't like that- when they go, they GO and they aren't joking around. So you can be "angry" at my statement all you want- it's fact.
You are EXACTLY what's wrong with barrel racing.

Barrels horses aren't born crazy. It's idiots like you who MAKE them crazy.
     
    05-21-2011, 03:57 PM
  #117
Weanling
LMAO!!! Wow...I don't even barrel race my horses-!!! I have so many friends who do though and I race other peoples horses, and I'm going to tell you something- They are crazy in the ring when you are running them, NOT in other situations. My friends horse is one of the best trail horses you will ever meet in your life, but when those barrels come around there aint NOTHIN stopping him...and you're going to need a good bit. She switches her bits- two different ones for riding and barrels. So I- yes, I am the reason? No honey, you are VERY mistaken.
     
    05-21-2011, 04:38 PM
  #118
Green Broke
It's absolutely no excuse for BAD training. There is ZERO purpose to deliberately making a barrel horse crazy, it doesn't make them run ANY faster it just makes them LESS able to use their brains and think. Just your statement that you need a vicious bit to control them in a barrel ring is EXACTLY why I will never advocate their use. Because people like you get your hands on them and just serve to make barrel racing and even bigger fiasco of blatant abuse.

I won a flag race TROTTING against SEASONED barrel racing pros because not one of them could control their **** animals in the ring, all hands and big bits, see sawing and yanking and trying to make them do something other then ride a pattern. That is absolutely bloody disgusting.

I don't care WHO'S horses you ride and abuse. You still know absolutely NOTHING about barrel racing and proper equipment usage and only make the entire sport look bad.
     
    05-21-2011, 05:38 PM
  #119
Weanling
It's funny to me that there is such a debate going on here about abuse, and everyone seems to be on the same side, as in 'excessive abuse is wrong'

We have "professionally trained" horses in our local shows, and those horses are about as nutty as horses come, can't do a thing with them outside of the show ring. The one horse had his poor rider reefing on its mouth around every barrel just to get it to slow down, and that horse reared and danced the whole time it wasn't running. If that kid DIDN'T have a bit with some bite on it, I'm sure that horse would have taken off with him!

But on that note, there is a gentleman who trains professionally and uses quite literally an old halter to show in... I gasped when I first saw him! But that horse hugged those barrels, and booked it home in one of the three fastest times of 20+ riders. And you know what? That horse WALKED out of the ring, head down and nice and calm after his run.

So I think it's a bit of knowing your horse and the rider's hands. Not so much one way or the other. Some horses will go excellent in a soft bit, or no bit. Some horses you need some breaks. I agree that the horse should be better trained for stopping (above all else), but unfortunately, when you have a horse that specializes in a discipline it hard to get the best of all worlds.
     
    05-21-2011, 05:45 PM
  #120
Showing
SAsamone... that's all kinds of wrong. By your argument, every English horse should be dead in the mouth as well. Not all barrel horses are jumpy and jittery - and they shouldn't be. It's stuff like that that gives BRs a bad name and a bad rap. Than again, I think it's always wrong to start foals under saddle (riding) and you don't.
     

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