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    05-22-2011, 01:52 AM
  #131
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
Bubba, you should not make statements like the above without being willing to be "called out".

You posted this video of your riding on this forum. It begs to negate your above statements. People who live in glass houses.....

This video bothered me so much I still can't get it out of my mind.

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This video still bothers me. This video shows a clearly uncomfortable horse and a rider using a bit against the horse.
Those in glass houses indeed.
Anyways, it is well past time for me to unsubscribe from this thread. I think a well trained BR horse is a gorgeous thing. Problem is, they aren't the majority.
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    05-22-2011, 02:02 AM
  #132
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Yes, poor, poor, long-suffering, mouth-abused Bones.

Not sure why these threads always keep centering around me, but there you go. Closet egotist, I guess. Or something.
     
    05-22-2011, 02:54 AM
  #133
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Ok, Bubba, I read over the thread that you posted that video in. At no time was this ever expressed as a tongue in cheek joke about gaited horses. I will let anyone pour through it, if they feel the need.

What do you think of this horse and rider?

I remember you justifying doing this, to a horse you admitted to being lame for a long time, as a way of getting her back in shape, in one of your posts.

Am I picking on you? Well, That was the first time I ever saw any of your posts and I guess it did leave a bad taste in my mouth. When you advertise yourself as being an expert on bitting and then seem unable to listen to anyone not agreeing with you, I do get impatient.

While I spent much of my youth running barrels and poles, I do not consider myself any kind of expert on what is going on today. I especially don't consider myself an expert on some of the aggressive bits I see being used today. But, it does not take a BR bit expert to understand the basic physics of design and its contribution to the pain compliance that they represent.

There are many fine barrel racers on this forum. I appreciate the videos I see of calm efficient horses that can run a fast pattern. I, in no way, mean to offend them or their discipline in any way.
     
    05-22-2011, 03:18 AM
  #134
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I remember my thread you were referring to. It was this one;
For the rider who hasn't dealt with real equine athletes!
This really was meant to be "tongue in cheek" because I found that video to be quite funny. All of the original contributers did too, until the other disciplines thought I was saying event horses were the ONLY fit horses. Not at all the intent of the thread.

I still think that video is funny, BTW. I've been there done that too many times.....
     
    05-22-2011, 03:24 AM
  #135
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
Ok, Bubba, I read over the thread that you posted that video in. At no time was this ever expressed as a tongue in cheek joke about gaited horses. I will let anyone pour through it, if they feel the need.
Might want to take a closer look, then, and read for greater comprehension this time:

What do you think of this horse and rider?

Or

"Still laughing about my wannabe-TWH, though."

Or

"I'm not trying to pull her head up. I'm allowing her to raise her head in the way that is most comfortable for her at that gait. I'm imitating the (often bad) riding of backyard speed racking Standardbreds and TWH's. It's for comic effect as well as to allow her to best slip into her "gait," and it is not harming her in any way (I've said that I know more strain is being placed on the back that if I were posting, but I do my best to minimize that by leaning back, absorbing through the knees, and sitting on my butt to allow it to provide cushion)." (What do you think of this horse and rider?)

Or

"I want to walk--she walks. I want to trot, she wants to run, I say "heck, let's take a video because this is funny, and then we'll get back to work and control." And so we did."

Or

"To be honest my gut reaction upon seeing this video and not knowing the background might be similar to some of ya'll's, and again, I apologize for my unfair social experiment. Still wish I had some input from actual experienced gaited horse people."

Or

"I did expect the negative comments, and that's why I'm not running off screaming persecution. I do fail to see the harm in occasional goofing off, though. Given that I am now telling you the truth, and saying that this two-minute video was but a snippet of my ride, and that but a snippet of my usual weekly exercise routine (which consists of far better, more proper, and more controlled riding), can you honestly insinuate that this did serious harm, either wrecking the mare's training or hurting her in any way?

I swear I do not have heavy hands, but apparently have no proof to offer. Nothing I can do to convince anyone otherwise, I guess, besides repeat my refrain....

Yeah, I have no idea how a gaited horse (real or otherwise) should truly be ridden, and I'm basing my parody off of MFT competitions I have seen (talk about bad riding ) and speed racking YouTube videos. And doing my best to keep the strain from my bouncing off of her back."

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I remember you justifying doing this, to a horse you admitted to being lame for a long time, as a way of getting her back in shape, in one of your posts.
Sort of. Not exactly. I was trying to get her back in shape (after spending $6000+ in vet bills on her over the past two years), and she was ticked because I wasn't letting her go fast enough (a long trot just wasn't cutting it for her, and without any real exercise, she had plenty of energy to burn), so this happened.

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Am I picking on you? Well, That was the first time I ever saw any of your posts and I guess it did leave a bad taste in my mouth. When you advertise yourself as being an expert on bitting and then seem unable to listen to anyone not agreeing with you, I do get impatient.
Thank you for that, Pot.

When, exactly, have I used the word "expert" in reference to myself? Ah, that's right, I haven't. But I have, however, proven you wrong with your misguided "opinion" of bitting mechanics, using video demonstrations and math from actual, like, physics. Like the pressure/leverage ratio thing on this very thread, or the AS vs. TT fiasco.

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While I spent much of my youth running barrels and poles, I do not consider myself any kind of expert on what is going on today. I especially don't consider myself an expert on some of the aggressive bits I see being used today. But, it does not take a BR bit expert to understand the basic physics of design and its contribution to the pain compliance that they represent.
Exactly. It just takes someone with a rudimentary understanding of basic physics concepts and equine anatomy.
     
    05-22-2011, 03:29 AM
  #136
Yearling
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Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
Great pic and a thumbs up from me. It's people like you who make this sport better. "Hot" should be zero excuse for bad behavior or training. My ARAB is hot, I've spent my entire life dedicated to a "hot" breed that loves to game. That's never stopped me from ensuring they are respectful and listening to me at all times. I am seeing more and more "quiet" barrel racers, and every time I see one, they're winning handily so I really hope we're seeing a bit of progress!

Prancing and getting amped for a race is one thing. Walking in on the back legs, fighting their rider tooth and nail and pitching a TANTRUM in the alley is another and I'm just tired of seeing it as the norm.

I have nothing but complete respect and admiration of anyone who can race quiet and expect a little more from their horses. Regardless of what bit they ride in.
Pretty much agree on this. I, yes me, made my already hot horse absolutely crazy about barrel racing when I started. Pretty much sucked at it too. I couldn't get him to rate, couldn't turn. Got horrible times. Soon as I made a huge focus on calming down my times got faster and faster. He acts ups from time to time still. But I believe it is unacceptable. I always make sure before I run that my horse is calm and walking on a loose rein before I go. Now I want to say that 70% of the time we walk into the arena with his head in a natural position, and on a loose rein. We do our best when he is calm and relaxed. He is always ready to go, plenty of fire in his walk and ears forward, but he is waiting for the cue, not about to tear my arms off to go before either of us are ready.

Now I'm not that big of a Barrel Racer and my horse has always been a 20s run. But there is a huge difference between the physcos and those just eager to do their job. I have a very deep respect for the gamers I know that walk into the arena on a loose rein, with their horses walking like a deadman staring at butterflies......until their riders give them a slight cue change that most people couldn't even see and BAM they win. XD When I happen to get my next horse after Jake, I will do everything I can to get a gamer to be like that.
     
    05-22-2011, 03:53 AM
  #137
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This is really off topic from the OP, but sorta relates to what we've come around to. Just thought it was a neat vid of a speed gaiting horse--man, that thing can fly--and then of course you get to see a truly heavy-handed, rip-the-face-off rider.

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    05-22-2011, 10:56 AM
  #138
Weanling
IMPO- I don't like hot horses and I will not allow my horse to be "hot" in the alley way or arena.

Again... just giving barrel racers a bad name...

Video of my horse, doing a exersize w/ barrels... remaining perfectly calm and willing.

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...working the pattern itself @ a trot (I rarely school him on the pattern at anything higher that a trot)

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The day my horse starts excessively anticipating the alley, I know that something is wrong.
     
    05-22-2011, 11:13 AM
  #139
Weanling
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
This is really off topic from the OP, but sorta relates to what we've come around to. Just thought it was a neat vid of a speed gaiting horse--man, that thing can fly--and then of course you get to see a truly heavy-handed, rip-the-face-off rider.

YouTube - ‪Run !! Run !!‬‏
Bubba, stop posting videos of yourself. No one is impressed by them, nor dose it have anything to do with the thread topic. You win't prove anything by showing us a barrel video of you with your hands all in your horses face. And a horse with no rate. That's what I see atleast.
     
    05-22-2011, 11:23 AM
  #140
Weanling
"I want to walk--she walks. I want to trot, she wants to run, I say "heck, let's take a video because this is funny, and then we'll get back to work and control." And so we did."

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Bubba. You posted this is one of your replies. I want to point this out, because I have been there done that, and crippled my own training thousands and thousands of times. All your doing is messing with her head like "you can act stupid at this moment but not now" kinda thing. That does absolutely nothing goodm because now that you have had your fun making fun of her she is now guessing on WHEN its ok to act stupid, instead of thinking "Im supposed to be a good girl" its "uuuummmmhow about now?" and she prances and you get onto her, then you make fun of her and she's allowed to do it? Its like raising a child, you can't get onto a child for stealing a cookie and then let them take 3 because its cute. It kills your foundation of whats right and wrong. And about your videos you and your horse should learn what a loose rein feels like. I get that you [I]can't[I] give her a loose rein, but that's why I'm saying she needs it too. She needs to learn loose rein doesn't mean go any faster. I have a 21 yo that has run the barrels my whole life. I got her from my step mom and have been riding her for 5 years now. When my step mom handed her to me, I had to wait until the person before me went into the pen to even get on, that's how crazy. Now, I ride her as much as I want and she does a lite dance up the alley way.....and we take their money. You don't need a crazy horse.
     

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