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  • Swishing of tails of dogs+videos

 
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    05-23-2011, 03:52 AM
  #171
Trained
When done properly, neck rein does not cause a horse to drop it's shoulder. Like any other aid it should be supported by the seat and leg. If your horse is dropping a shoulder when neck reining, your doing it wrong.
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    05-23-2011, 11:02 AM
  #172
Weanling
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
I see a very nice, well-trained horse, but one who is constantly swishing her tail out of pissiness/anger/pain(?) if we're getting nit-picky, plus some definite snatching going on around the first barrel on the second video. Looks like a pushbutton horse that doesn't require much riding at all, really. Who trained her?
And I saw absolutely no "snatching" going on. If you "snatch" that mare she will hit the barrel. You drive until your legs fall off because she will rate and turn the moment you sit for the turn. I don't like your criticism on this mare. You can't touch her. Sorry.
     
    05-23-2011, 11:04 AM
  #173
Weanling
To you all who are talking about my mare swishing her tail. Just FYI we take her to the vet once a year and he does this thing ( I don't know what,so get off my back) to her tail and her back. Not sure if he pops her back or what (I use a chiro on her). And that ends the tail swishing. She has not had it yet this year. Also, whenI kick her she swishes her tail. I'll have to get a video, but I'll be riding doing nothing and kick her into a lope and she will swish her tail ONCE and lope. Its an attitude thing outside the arena, in the arena, I don't know. But, you can't tell me she's hurting. She is the most well-taken care of horse I know.

Bubba. Since you got butt hurt over us telling you you pissed off your grey mare and your hands were not correct in your video do not be rude. All your trying to do is get back at people. You won't win.
     
    05-23-2011, 11:07 AM
  #174
Weanling
And.........she swished her tail once in the first video and yes more in the others, but she runs with her tail sticking out, she's always done that. You don't always know when she swishing her tail and when its just moving.
     
    05-23-2011, 11:31 AM
  #175
Yearling
C'mon guys, she's just happy to be in the arena!
Just playing, I'm thankful that horses don't "wag" their tails like dogs. Ouch
     
    05-23-2011, 11:39 AM
  #176
Green Broke
SIssyGoBob, you are being an enormous hypocrite. You can't trash bubba13, and then turn around absolutely freak out when others criticize you. They're stating what they see, bubba13 was in no way rude to you, nowhere NEAR how rude you've been to her.

I think this thread has about run it's course, thanks for the information guys, and for the videos about some genuine top notch awesome to see barrel runs. It's refreshing to know other people are just as concerned about proper training! Best of luck!
     
    05-23-2011, 12:58 PM
  #177
Banned
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Originally Posted by SissyGoBob    
And I saw absolutely no "snatching" going on. If you "snatch" that mare she will hit the barrel. You drive until your legs fall off because she will rate and turn the moment you sit for the turn. I don't like your criticism on this mare. You can't touch her. Sorry.
Nope, I saw what I saw. Not a lot of it, but at the point I mentioned (I forget now) there was definitely a big jerk going on.

"I don't like your criticism." LOL.

You also admit she's a pushbutton who doesn't require much riding at all....just like I predicted.

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Originally Posted by SissyGoBob    
To you all who are talking about my mare swishing her tail. Just FYI we take her to the vet once a year and he does this thing ( I don't know what,so get off my back) to her tail and her back. Not sure if he pops her back or what (I use a chiro on her). And that ends the tail swishing. She has not had it yet this year. Also, whenI kick her she swishes her tail. I'll have to get a video, but I'll be riding doing nothing and kick her into a lope and she will swish her tail ONCE and lope. Its an attitude thing outside the arena, in the arena, I don't know. But, you can't tell me she's hurting. She is the most well-taken care of horse I know.

Bubba. Since you got butt hurt over us telling you you pissed off your grey mare and your hands were not correct in your video do not be rude. All your trying to do is get back at people. You won't win.
Also, you admit that she's popping the tail out of back pain and anger when you kick her....again, there's the o' theory of mine coming true in all its magnificent glory. Not finger-pointing about that, as lots of barrel horses are that way, but call it what it is.

Remember that "glass houses" comments from a while back? By jove, I think that applies here.

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Originally Posted by SissyGoBob    
And.........she swished her tail once in the first video and yes more in the others, but she runs with her tail sticking out, she's always done that. You don't always know when she swishing her tail and when its just moving.
No, I can actually tell, surprisingly, the difference between a wind-blown tail and an actively moving one.

You also didn't answer my question about who trained your mare. Come back and talk to me once you start your own from scratch and bring it to the 1D level, OK? It's fine to be a jockey, but takes considerable less talent, skill, and knowledge than actual training. I'm far, far more impressed by the gals who train their own prospects (and maybe only ever make it to the 2D level) than those who plunk down a 5- or 6-figure price tag and sit up pretty in first place. Because I've seen numerous 10-year-olds with rich daddies do the latter, the spoiled brats.
     
    05-23-2011, 01:57 PM
  #178
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by bubba13    



I posted it only to prove my point--when you had implied I was lying--that I could, indeed, ride her bareback, in a halter, at a lope, in the pasture
Oh, my. Please show where I ever called you a liar. I don't believe you have ever lied to us and I doubt I said anything to that effect. Exaggerate your experience, maybe....I have no doubt you can ride that mare as shown. I have nothing bad to say about your bareback riding either. If I gave the impression that I thought you were outright lying, I humbly apologize.

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Bubba says- And this, really, indirectly supports the necessity (or at least usefulness and suitability) of some of the gag bits and others used in barrel racing. You need something so that you can access just one side of the horse's face. A snaffle doesn't do that, or at least not nearly as well.
Trust me, when you are doing one tempis (flying lead changes with every stride, You must be able to communicate with each side of the horse with seat, legs AND hand. So much of dressage is subtle communication. The less seen the better.

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Bubba says- I want to be able to pick up on one side without affecting the other: independent side action. If I can stick my inside leg into my horse and lift with my inside rein, she knows exactly what I want and she'll pick that lead up perfectly.
Sounds like one tempis. I always school them in a snaffle, interestingly enough.

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Bubba says- I can't do that bareback in a halter, clearly, when my legs are used mainly for balance and my hands can only neck-rein (which causes a horse to drop its shoulder) and pull straight back (which certainly doesn't help with the lead cue).
I think the bareback and bridleless rider in the video I posted did a pretty good job doing lead changes without a tough bit. Again, it goes down to proper and thorough training.

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Bubba says-I'm surprised nobody commented on how lame Ol' Paint is....
As for the last comment, I am really not here to bash that or even you. You start that, with me, by putting out what I believe to be incorrect or poorly thought out information. Then, I might be encouraged to give my two cents worth.

As for your horse's soundness....what you do with your horse is a personal decision.
     
    05-23-2011, 02:10 PM
  #179
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by bubba13    

You also didn't answer my question about who trained your mare. Come back and talk to me once you start your own from scratch and bring it to the 1D level, OK? It's fine to be a jockey, but takes considerable less talent, skill, and knowledge than actual training. I'm far, far more impressed by the gals who train their own prospects (and maybe only ever make it to the 2D level) than those who plunk down a 5- or 6-figure price tag and sit up pretty in first place. Because I've seen numerous 10-year-olds with rich daddies do the latter, the spoiled brats.
Wow, Bubba....you have shown your true colors in this post.

What makes you assume that SHE didn't bring this horse along and train her herself? I saw nothing to the contrary in her post. I saw a wonderful horse who ran a great pattern. When asked who trained her, she rightfully did not respond. It is no ones business. BUT, the lack of an answer does not mean she did not do the work.

Wow, just too rude to comprehend, here.
     
    05-23-2011, 02:31 PM
  #180
Showing
The thread has gotten out of hand and I believe all information needed has been given. Time to go.
     

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