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post #51 of 180 Old 02-09-2011, 02:37 PM
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Every horse I have is different. But the one I love the most is the Sherry Cervi, long shank, twisted dog bone snaffle.

Other than that I really like anything with a flat chain thats a gag or the beetle nose hack or the little s hack

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post #52 of 180 Old 02-17-2011, 12:04 AM
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Nikki has a rope nose combination bit with twisted snaffle mouth..chain curb strap..has to have a tie down on too..she will throw her head up to my chin without one..(doesn't feel too great)..she won't do it bareback though..

Hickory has a twisted snaffle or a tom thumb..

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post #53 of 180 Old 02-19-2011, 07:28 PM
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I appreciate you're advice Mom2Pride, however this is a new horse to me, in beginning stages of training, and he's only been trail ridden up to this point. He's rather lazy on turns and has a tough mouth. The snaffle is fine for trails but it's not working on the drums. My fiance raised him from a colt but he's never done anything with him other than ride trails, he shows TWH's and Storm is a Quarter Horse so he didn't have much use for him other than that. I've never had any exp with a Million dollar bit. I may have phrased my question wrong, what I meant ask was does anyone have any experience with the Martha Josey bit as it pertains to turns?
i guess i'm confused - this is a horse that is new to you, that hasn't been trained/ridden hard yet has a hard mouth? what was he ridden in before and if this is your fiance's colt from birth what did he do to the horse? if anything it sound like he just needs to go back to the basics with a simple smooth snaffle and actually be taught what it is you want instead of yanked/forced into something he probably doesn't understand.
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Nikki has a rope nose combination bit with twisted snaffle mouth..chain curb strap..has to have a tie down on too..she will throw her head up to my chin without one..(doesn't feel too great)..she won't do it bareback though..

Hickory has a twisted snaffle or a tom thumb..
have you considered saddle fit for nikki? sounds like she's in pain and is really trying to tell you.
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ok not sure if this is the right place to ask this or not but it will give me someware to start i guess. ok i ma riding this horse for some one. he is a 12 year old paint rescue so that leaves me with hardly any backround knollage. just that he wound up in philly as a cart horse for the tourest, and the things i found out about his personality buy trial and error. he is veary high strung for his age(you have to run him around the round pen and sweat him up perty good before you get on or its bucking time.). he neck rains like a beast so he didnt start out life as a cart horse. i am a barrel racer so i like to use barrel rains but he likes the split rains i first used on him. i am now riding him in a sweet iron full cheak snaffle witch he likes, untill i started using a tighter rain on him. i have started the horse on barrels. every horse i barrel raced was always ridden in a hack and i would like for him to go in one to. he listons vary well in a halter in the round pen the only issue is the open spaces. he wants to take off with me. hes only ridden once or twice a week by me. hes not realy hard to stop just a little harder then he should be. i want to get i jim warner hack for him but would that controle a hot horse enough where im not allong for the ride while hes running off with me? thank you all for any insight
i see so much wrong with this.

first - bits are not beaks. they are communication.
second - if you have to run a horse to tire them out before you can ride, then you've got a lot more issues. try learning the underlying cause (such as fear esp since you mention he is a rescue) and addressing that. all you are doing by running him off his feet before riding is training him to know that work = exorbitant running and he's probably not sure why.

next - if he's running off in open fields, he's scared.

finally - imo THIS HORSE SHOULD NOT BE RUNNING BARRELS. he should be learning how to trust humans, and doing basic conditioning. balanced fast is very different from flat fast. flat fast knocks barrels and balanced fast is tighter and cleaner (and faster).

until you get him to trust you and understand the aids as tools of communication rather than as means of forced control, your progress will be limited at best.

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some of these bits make me cringe - esp anything twisted.

i can't say it enough but a bit is not breaks. it is communication. if it is being used as breaks you are missing out on a huge piece of the conversation with your horse.

i ran my barrel horse in a snaffle or a dee with rollers. at most he was in a basic low port western smooth mouthed curb (though we tended to use the curb more for penning and cattle work where less rein pressure is needed and snaffle for barrels where you tend to use more rein contact).

my qh baby will go in the same two bits, for the same two reasons.
all my horses go in super soft, mild bits, with an exception for XC/hunter pacing where there is a need for an e-brake so to speak (and even that there's just one exception - the other 2 are in mullen pelhams and i just attach the curb for those events - usually i ride with it off/tied out of the way so it's just a mullen snaffle - oh and i have 7 horses, 5 are of riding age).

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Yep..I've had her checked out by three vets..they say she is fine. She is just a hot horse and she likes to work and whenever she has a saddle on she thinks its time to work..even trail riding she east excited and will sidepass some..the only thing I could do is put her on a calming supplement which I don't like to do because she acts drowsy all the time and I don't like it..but yes, I've had her looked at and she is fit and as healthy as she can be..

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Yep..I've had her checked out by three vets..they say she is fine. She is just a hot horse and she likes to work and whenever she has a saddle on she thinks its time to work..even trail riding she east excited and will sidepass some..the only thing I could do is put her on a calming supplement which I don't like to do because she acts drowsy all the time and I don't like it..but yes, I've had her looked at and she is fit and as healthy as she can be..
consider reconditioning her to learn that riding and training and even trails doesn't need to equal anxiousness. to me that isn't excitement in a positive way - but rather anxiousness in some sort.

just like pavlov was able to recondition his dogs that bell = food even when food was not present, we can recondition our horses to learn that riding = fun, positive work that doesn't need nervous/amped up energy. even when doing a 12 mile hunter pace in the open division over 30+ solid fences up to 3'6"+ in height, i want my horse to have energy with FOCUS not amped up "excitement". it makes a huge difference in ANY discipline ime.

good luck with her!

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consider reconditioning her to learn that riding and training and even trails doesn't need to equal anxiousness. to me that isn't excitement in a positive way - but rather anxiousness in some sort.

just like pavlov was able to recondition his dogs that bell = food even when food was not present, we can recondition our horses to learn that riding = fun, positive work that doesn't need nervous/amped up energy. even when doing a 12 mile hunter pace in the open division over 30+ solid fences up to 3'6"+ in height, i want my horse to have energy with FOCUS not amped up "excitement". it makes a huge difference in ANY discipline ime.

good luck with her!

She's not anxious when she is doing it..It's more of a "mama let's go!" attitude. She is spunky and just happy go lucky all the time..At practice and at a show she IS focused. She is excited about going to the gate but once she is in the alleyway it is GAME TIME..she knows her business and loves to do it. She was trained in that bit and I'll keep her in it. I don't like changing my bits alot because my sister does all the time and it seems to just irritate her horse..I do get her to calm down on trail rides and just riding around the house..but 90% of the time I ride her we also practice barrels..so taking her from working to trail riding is usually easy trotting ( i let her set her pace to cool down) then walking alot..I'm not going to bring her spunk down when that's just part of her personality..

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i use a sliding gag bit designed by martha josey and it works great:) i also like the stop and turn bit. Go to Dynasty Euine.com and fallon taylor sells them

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