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  • How to use over and under barrel racing
  • Over under whips

 
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    10-15-2010, 08:16 AM
  #21
Green Broke
^ That "encouragement" is called legs, voice, and seat.
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    10-19-2010, 12:41 AM
  #22
Foal
I use a short crop type one like in the picture, just shorter.
I see some people around here that whip the crap out of there horses, and sometimes kicking and whipping like you wouldn't believe.. poor horses.
I don't like to kick the crap out of my horse and when I run I don't like kicking her all that much. Obviously I use my legs in aiding her turns and what not, but when it comes to the Whip.. I don't over use it and I don't EVER hit her hard. I just use it as a "This is it, we gotta put are all into this" kinda reminder. I normally only use it if she's being kind of slow getting off the barrel, if I don't sometimes she'll forget and let her but end kinda swing out, the small tap coming off just gives her a reminder to make sure her back end doesn't swing out. I don't normally use it running home or in between barrels.
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    10-19-2010, 11:09 AM
  #23
Weanling
I'm not a kicker... and I'm not a whipper. But I will do both if my horse isnt listening to my cues. Sometimes you just have to get up and ride.

(I prefer an over under because I put it on the horn and wrap it up under the back of the pommel. Keeps the over under up in front of the saddle so it's easy to find if I need it... and keeps it from falling off during a run. )
     
    10-19-2010, 11:19 AM
  #24
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Sunny    
My point exactly, WS. And BR7335, honestly, a "lazy" horse shouldn't be a barrel racer.
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You do realize that it's a horses nature to be lazy. They will cut corners, cheat you, do whatever they can to make things easier on them.

When you go up a hill out on trial, a horse will break into a trot or canter... because it's easier for them.

When it comes to barrel racing, whips arent just used to pick up speed. Some horses like to drop their shoulder (hey, its easier than riding up into the bridle, getting your butt down, and completing a collected snappy turn) Some horses like to shut off early after the third. (they know their going to stop up there, so why not start a stride off the third barrel)

Point is, it's easy for folks to sit back and pull a peta moment when it comes to whips. But in reality, it's totally dependant on the individual horse. I have one that's a free runner. I don't use a whip on him for a run, but in practice he can get a little lazy on his turns, I show him the whip, and he decides maybe he should listen now, rather than later. He's not hurt, and not abused. But he does know better and I expect him to do the job that's expected of him.
Another horse, he's more of a pushing horse. Kicking a bit and kissing will normally get him up and moving, but he likes to shut down sometimes. I tap him on the butt with the whip and he knows I mean business. He can be lazy later. For this next few seconds, I expect him to do his job too.

Sometimes, you have to ride.
     
    10-19-2010, 12:28 PM
  #25
Green Broke
^ Please keep in mind that you are talking to an ex-barrel racer.
I am not pulling a PETA moment, thank you. My point is that if a horse has to be whipped and kicked with every stride then the horse SHOULD NOT be a barrel racer.
If a horse is having a lazy day I have no problem with a firm pop with a crop. It's when the horse "needs" it every run that I have an issue.
Same with jumpers-if the horse is having a fussy day and doesn't want to take a jump, i'm all for pulling out that crop. But if the horse is refusing and running out every jump every day, then it's time for a new discipline.
     
    10-19-2010, 12:46 PM
  #26
Weanling
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My point is that if a horse has to be whipped and kicked with every stride then the horse SHOULD NOT be a barrel racer.
That, I definitely agree with. Like I said, they have a job, and they are expected to do that job. People get carried away and abuse things like whips and spurs. As with any tool or training method, they can be pushed to the edge and used improperly. Ignorance is bliss for most.

For instance, I've always been taught that spurs are NOT for barrel racing. I don't like them, I don't encourage the use of them. Most BR's wear them just to hear the spur spin as they walk.

I've seen teenagers wearing eq spurs in barrel racing. No. Complete and total ignorance. Same with whips. There is a place and time for them, and that isnt every time you run in a barrel pen.

And ma'am, please keep in mind that your talking to a current barrel racer.
     
    10-19-2010, 01:38 PM
  #27
Trained
I'm not a barrel racer but I have had horses want to quit on me or think that they could go an faster and a whack on the butt will certainly give them more incentive to dig a little deeper. That being said I don't like to see anybody whip and spur a horse from the third barrel to the arena gate. Mostly it is not the people at the pay window that are guilty of this it is the local girls that are barrel racers because they think they look cute doing it and they like cowboys.
Who can blame them but it is no excuse for poor horsemanship. If they would learn how to tell when thier horse is running as hard as it can then they might finish better. Spurring a horse in the guts only serves to shorten its stride and slow it down. That's why jockeys in the Kentucky Derby aren't spurring the crap out of thier horses.
     
    10-19-2010, 02:09 PM
  #28
Started
^^^ Exactly.
     
    10-19-2010, 04:13 PM
  #29
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by BuckOff41570    
And ma'am, please keep in mind that your talking to a current barrel racer.
I made my comment because you were speaking as if I didn't know what I was talking about, not to be snarky.
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    10-19-2010, 05:21 PM
  #30
Showing
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
Who can blame them but it is no excuse for poor horsemanship. If they would learn how to tell when thier horse is running as hard as it can then they might finish better. Spurring a horse in the guts only serves to shorten its stride and slow it down. That's why jockeys in the Kentucky Derby aren't spurring the crap out of thier horses.
I kinda wonder why more people don't realize this.
     

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