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post #31 of 39 Old 10-19-2010, 07:57 PM
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I made my comment because you were speaking as if I didn't know what I was talking about, not to be snarky.
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You were making it sound as though there is no place for whips on a barrel horse...and if they are used, it's a lack of horsemanship.

I have strong beliefs when it comes to training horses. I've seen a lot and done a lot when it comes to different training methods. Ignorance can be expanded not only to those who abuse tools, but to those to appose them based on rediculous assumptions. It'll take a lot more than a couple smacks from a whip to hurt or ruin a horse. In the end, a well timed smack can make a huge difference. That is when a whip can effectively be used. When a rider is whipping and kicking excessively, is when a rider needs to take some horsemanship lessons. That way, they can feel what they are doing to their horse when they strap on those equitation spurs and jab away.

Okie dokie... off my soap box. In the end, folks will do what they want to do.
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post #32 of 39 Old 10-19-2010, 09:00 PM
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Double post, sorry.

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I made it sound like there is no place for whips in barrels because I don't think they should be used in barrels. Are there instances where they can be of use? Ofcourse, I made that point in my previous post. BUT, 99.999999% of aids should NOT come from the whip. IMO, if you can't get your horse to respond from legs, voice, and seat 99.999999% of the time during a run, then the horse either shouldn't run barrels or you(general) shouldn't be the one riding.
And I sincerely hope that "ignorance can be expanded" statement wasn't directed towards me.
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I made it sound like there is no place for whips in barrels because I don't think they should be used in barrels. Are there instances where they can be of use? Ofcourse, I made that point in my previous post. BUT, 99.999999% of aids should NOT come from the whip. IMO, if you can't get your horse to respond from legs, voice, and seat 99.999999% of the time during a run, then the horse either shouldn't run barrels or you(general) shouldn't be the one riding.
And I sincerely hope that "ignorance can be expanded" statement wasn't directed towards me.
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No, it wasnt directed towards you. It was a general statement saying there goobers on both sides of the fence.
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I completely agree with you. There are extremes on both ends.
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exactly there are the people that never use one even if they need to and the people that use them WAY to much...I personally only use them to pick up a shoulder in a turn or just rub the horses butt to keep it calm goin in.
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I never used a whip while running barrels until I joined the high school rodeo association, and then it was only because they closed the gate behind each competitor. The gelding that I had would not run to a closed gate, he would turn the last barrel and shut down. One smack with a crop would get him going again. I used spurs, but that was to make sure that his pockets were right, and not for forward movement.
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I don't use anything on my barrel horse, but a lot of people I know that barrel race use them to start the horse off. I don't like over unders though because I think they are just an extra thing to have and down the straight away and if the horse is a true barrel horse, they are already going mock one. There are exceptions though.

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I NEVER use a crop, spurs, or kicking to ask for increased speed on barrels when I want it. I lean forward and I might gently squeeze with my legs, but my horses are already giving my 110%. Kicking them just knocks the wind out of them and distracts them. They know I want speed, they will give me speed without me having to kick them to death or bat them with a whip for it. Same goes when I'm galloping in the back fields. I don't kick the crap out of them because I know if I ask for speed by giving them their head and leaning forward, they will give me all they have.
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