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    11-14-2012, 08:55 PM
Bit to Hackamore for running

So I am throwing around the idea of going from a Johnson Hackamore (chain mouth piece with a nose band) to just a hackamore. My gelding will just shut down during a run if I get handsy with him. We are really starting to add speed. Same goes for the poles which I use a ed wright twisted dog bone medium shank, but I need the lifter for the poles. Has anyone gone from a bit to a hackamore and how was the transitions? Which hackamores will help with collection and lift threw a turn if there are any? He's very light and sensitive.
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    11-14-2012, 10:11 PM
I am in the process of switching my running mare over to a Little S and I really like the feel of it for her.

For your horse, I would suggest these hacks because they offer good lift along with rate if needed....

Short Shank Jim Warner
Beetle Hack (Doesn't have as much lift as the JW)
O Ring combo hack (for light horses)
    11-14-2012, 11:14 PM
Do you know of a website that compares the different hackamore? Now that we are adding speed he, for lack of a better word, is getting sloppy. He never before has been asked for the speed before as I started him at the same time I was learning how to run barrels as well. The old saying "if only I knew then what I know now" I would have nipped some of his habits in the butt that he picked up when I didn't know better. He was really bad about shouldering in on the second barrel, we have fixed that and then he doesn't like to collect at a faster rate of speed and speeds up through the turns. We have fixed the shouldering in by me staying on the horn just before 2nd and then pushing him past his turn before going to the horn again. Since we have added speed it has just become undone and he was really wild during a lesson and until he gets comfortable, again for lack of a better word, my trainer and I have put him in a tie down. Is a Hackamore able to be used with a tie down? I never ride him in one unless we are working g the barrels. Do horses become stiff in a Hackamore?
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    11-15-2012, 12:03 AM
Yes, you can still use a tie-down with a hack. If he is getting hot and wild when you add speed, then I would go back to trotting and loping the pattern for awhile. Really get him listening to you before you add speed. I made the mistake of pushing my horse to early when I started him, so this winter is going to be us going back over the basics. Lol :)
    11-15-2012, 12:45 AM
How long have you been doing barrels? And how fast are you asking him to go now? High Lope, Hand gallop...full out run?

Do you have a video....

And you should do some barrel drills to get teach him how to stay collected when turning, I really like spirals for that.

Also why exactly did you put him in a Tie-Down?
    11-15-2012, 01:04 AM
Yup :) you have to go slow to go fast! We are going to go back and correct what needs to be corrected, its taken me a year to get to this point because I wanted to ensure he had a good foundation so when we made mistakes it would be easier in the end to fix. My good friend who I bought him from said I need to stop complaining because they are easy fixes and aren't as bad as a lot of other habits. Lol
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    11-15-2012, 01:09 AM
We have been doing them for a year. We do a lot barrel drills to work on collection as well as flat work as well. I work very closely with my trainer and he has improved greatly from what he was. We are hand galloping thru the pattern right now, we were going this speed in the summer but slowed down as I wasn't ready but have sped up again. He is using the tie down right now for balance at this speed. We never used one till a week ago. He naturally runs with his head higher then a normal horse. Never really made a difference until the speed. Lol A couple times a week we will work in a German martingale. But we do melt downs, 5 barrels, 4 barrels. And when he does sped up through a turn we will continue circling until he smooths out again :)
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    11-15-2012, 01:14 AM
I personally would take the tie-down off....I just find it hard that a horse can run correct and use them for "balance". JMO

Also when your going faster do you just go into the barrel at the same speed?

Some horses can handle the speed then turning, but some have to learn how to collect and get under themselves (have one at the moment). I would suggest asking him to slow down and collect when approaching the barrel and let him go around it in a relaxed manner until he puts two and two together. It well help him realize that he needs to slowdown and collect. Don't bring him down like you would for rate, but just slowly take hold and ask him to come to you and work on getting him around it correct and him relaxed.

Make sense?
    11-15-2012, 12:39 PM
I am more or less not using the correct terminology when describing the reasoning behind his need for a tie down. It has helped smooth him out.... he was really rough through his turns. He just has a high head when he is cruising through the pattern. I wouldnt say he is well seasoned when it comes to shows, but he knows the pattern and what he is suppose to do. Unfortunately, he is a very front endy horse, I have been working hard on getting him on his back end. But now that I moved him closer to my house I don't ride with my trainer as much as I have before. And have some reserves on whether we are doing drills right or not.
I understand what you are saying on the collecting before going into the turn. I don't really ask him to rate (hard I don't say "Woah" when coming) as he will take out a barrel in a heartbeat. Where we are running into problems is roughly 3/4 of the way through he speeds up and becomes really rough.
    11-20-2012, 01:41 AM
I tired a Jim Warner hack today and needless to say it was short lived experiment :) My trainer told me he would be stiff and stiff he was. I got a nice and laughable told you so from my trainer today. Lol. But on the plus side we were able to figure out what I ha e been doing wrong and need to change!! We have good speed in between the barrels but loose it on the turns because he isn't smooth. Turns out that when I rate him I don't hold it and give his head back and he comes uncollected. Haha just have a long road to go and lots of patiences are required :) Next lesson doing a way with the tie down and working on that! Thanks for the help and suggestions
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