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post #11 of 58 Old 08-16-2010, 05:27 PM
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that is not true you can allows get a horse to turn in a shank bit. A snaffle is a tom thumb and that the only difference there is a o ring, d ring, short shank, long shank. You just have to work with the horse tell you find the bit that will give you the right confirmation
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Thanks smrobs I'll try that! The only problem is he never does it in practice, he does it during Idaho figure 8 race at competitions. The problem I have with the snaffle is that he doesn't listen to it once I start practicing the pattern at the canter and gallop, he responds well with the kimberwick, but I can't use that since I use that for English pleasure classes and I like to use different bits for different disciplines. He does not work well in a Tom Thumb, he hates it.
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sometimes you can't change bits when they do good in them. I have heard of people doing that. But there is all different bits out there. You generally wanna use the one you get the best response out of. Sometimes switching a bit so often can confuse them and they wont know what to do cause there is so many different things youve put in his mouth he will question them all.
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Kaydee, I'm not going to start an argument but a snaffle and a TT are completely different. Just because they both have a broken mouth means absolutely nothing. A snaffle bit (whether it is a full cheek, D-ring, eggbutt, or loose ring) has a 1:1 ratio. That means for every pound of pressure you apply to the reins, the horse feels one pound in his mouth. Also, snaffles are designed for direct reining. When you add shanks to any bit, it changes everything about the way it works. With your typical TT, you have, what, a 1:3 ratio? Plus instead of just applying pressure on the bars, you have added in curb pressure and poll pressure too. The reason that a one rein stop isn't as effective with a curb bit is because when you really pick up one rein, that causes the bit to twist in the horse's mouth which can cause confusion, or worse, damage. That is because curb bits are designed to be used on neck reining horses.

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I know to turn my horse when she starts bucking or giving me attitude. Always have done that and always will. And yes all bits are different. Yes thank you im not in first grade. And a snaffle with and o ring and d ring is just a training bit. Sure people ride in them but some people may not have the best of stop. And im sure people agree with me there.
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a snaffle is a tom thumb and that the only difference there is a o ring, d ring, short shank, long shank.
Hm, I was responding to this statement. For thousands of years, "people" thought the world was flat, that still didn't make them right.

Anyway, I've said my piece. OP, good luck, I hope you find something that works for you.

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Alot of horses need more than a snaffle. I have a smiliar problem as pintobean with my quarab mare, in that she can be really difficult to turn at a lope/gallop but turns perfectly & quick at a walk & trot. I've worked her in both an o-ring snaffle, d-ring snaffle as well as the tomthumb (which is what she's in now) & none have worked any better than the next, except with a TT she doesn't toss her head & lean into the bit as much as she did with a snaffle. The snaffle also had a very bad habit of pulling through her mouth (even with bit guards) whereas the TT doesn't.
However, no bit will cure bucking. Only consisted riding/ training can do that.
PintoBean maybe try a full-cheek snaffle or something that will push against his face without pulling through.
A hackamore may work well for this or a bitless bridle, which I've found work very well for turning (not so much for slowing down though).

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yes thank lilruffian.... you just proved a point for me..... your my hero buddy
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Lol I just don't like when people say the TT isa harsh/confusing bit. Every bit is harsh/confusing if the person holding the reins doesnt know what theyre doing.

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post #20 of 58 Old 08-16-2010, 06:09 PM
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exactly. That is so true. I've used a tt on my horse for ever. Its actually not a harsh bit at all.

Ill show you guys a harsh bit....... I have a couple of these.
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