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  • Hand positions going around the barrels in barrel racing
  • My horse leans into second barrel bad

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    01-20-2012, 02:20 PM
  #1
Foal
Comment on my practice please!

Hi, I am new here and just wondered if I could get some advice about my barrel pattern. There isn't a whole lot of speed as we were just working at getting around the barrel. Just would like to know how my body position, hand position, horse position, etc looked. Any comments would be great.

This first video is probably the best run we had that day. He always seems to have trouble around the second barrel and I just wondered if it was something I was doing.


This second video I know we trot mostly around the barrels but still would like critique.


The third video we had a horrible first barrel but if you watch his second barrel he likes to throw his shoulder into it and come in at a very severe angle. I have no idea how to fix this I have tried roll backs, turning him away from the barrel so he doesn't anticipate it.


And then with this last one, another ok run... I know we went really wide on the third barrel.. he got distracted...

     
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    01-20-2012, 02:38 PM
  #2
Green Broke
Yay! You got it to work..

That's a BIG pattern..I can see where he would get a little distracted..It's rather large.

Just a few questions to get some more info...

How long have you both been running barrels?

Do you have a trainer helping you?

I will say you have pretty good position going into the first barrel..You're not running right at it and expecting him to turn..A ton of new people I see who want a critique are running right at that first barrel..Every time.


A few things I see right off that I can say before knowing your whole situation.

You might want to work on your ground a little, it seems rather hard and somewhat uneven. Good footing is very important for working a horse. A lot of things can go wrong with hard or slick footing.

If you watch your videos again..See how you lean to the inside when you're turning the barrel? You don't want to do that, that can throw your horse off and you may lose your balance. You want to lean out away from the barrel with the top half of your body. Keeping your seat centered and feet in the correct position but leaning your top out to keep your horse steady.

Your hand position isn't really bad but you need to keep your hands lower..You will have more control this way and it's the correct way to do it..If your hands are high in the air it pulls your horse's head up and you don't have as much control of his head.

He seems like a very willing little guy but something I would work on are your flexing and release, your rating, and helping him follow himself through in your turns..See how you both are losing forward movement in the backside of his turns..You want forward motion at all times around the barrel. Don't let him shut down back there. The leaning out I mentioned earlier will help this too...

My advice is to slow down, go back to trotting and walking the pattern. When rounding your barrels you want to have very good hand position, keep him flexing the whole way around, and teach him to learn how to follow his head with his body. This will help have cleaner turns and more consistency. Not just tugging his head around and hoping his body follows..which can lead to all of your wide turns..

Hope this helps...I could tell you more with your experience level and his..
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    01-20-2012, 03:06 PM
  #3
Foal
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Originally Posted by DrumRunner    
Yay! You got it to work..

That's a BIG pattern..I can see where he would get a little distracted..It's rather large.

Just a few questions to get some more info...

How long have you both been running barrels?

Do you have a trainer helping you?

I will say you have pretty good position going into the first barrel..You're not running right at it and expecting him to turn..A ton of new people I see who want a critique are running right at that first barrel..Every time.


A few things I see right off that I can say before knowing your whole situation.

You might want to work on your ground a little, it seems rather hard and somewhat uneven. Good footing is very important for working a horse. A lot of things can go wrong with hard or slick footing.

If you watch your videos again..See how you lean to the inside when you're turning the barrel? You don't want to do that, that can throw your horse off and you may lose your balance. You want to lean out away from the barrel with the top half of your body. Keeping your seat centered and feet in the correct position but leaning your top out to keep your horse steady.

Your hand position isn't really bad but you need to keep your hands lower..You will have more control this way and it's the correct way to do it..If your hands are high in the air it pulls your horse's head up and you don't have as much control of his head.

He seems like a very willing little guy but something I would work on are your flexing and release, your rating, and helping him follow himself through in your turns..See how you both are losing forward movement in the backside of his turns..You want forward motion at all times around the barrel. Don't let him shut down back there. The leaning out I mentioned earlier will help this too...

My advice is to slow down, go back to trotting and walking the pattern. When rounding your barrels you want to have very good hand position, keep him flexing the whole way around, and teach him to learn how to follow his head with his body. This will help have cleaner turns and more consistency. Not just tugging his head around and hoping his body follows..which can lead to all of your wide turns..

Hope this helps...I could tell you more with your experience level and his..
Yeah, it is quite a big pattern but I looked up measurements for a regulation barrel pattern and that is what I came up with. If you notice my arena is HUGE so I just tried to fit it. I had the pattern smaller and he didn't seem to do as well so I expanded it out.

I have been running barrels for a few years, I did barrels in high school for our equestrian team. I did them on my TWH so it was more of lets see how fast we can get around the barrels not so much as to doing it right. I mainly did fun shows, fairs, things like that. We did pretty well but I am sure it looked aweful funny. This year I decided I wanted to get a good horse and actually get serious about barrels. I have been riding horses for 20 years so I kinda do my own research and training.

As far as my horse I have had him for about 4 months and when I got him I was told that he had some barrel training done already. For the first few months I did the walking and trotting around the barrels and thought it would be ok to pick up the pace a little. He knows the pattern by heart, I don't even need to steer him around the barrel except the second one he tries to go back to the gate some times. I am sure he had "some" training on him but not a whole lot.

No I don't have a trainer.

The ground is a bit bad, I just bought the house in NOV so I haven't had a chance to condition the arena. The previous owner didn't take very good care of it. I don't push him in that arena just because the ground is rather hard. I am planning to till it up and rake it to make it sandy.

I think my hands are in a bad position because my horse has a SHORT neck and I think my reins are a little too long. What do you think? Should I get shorter ones?

He does go around the first part of the barrel very well, sometimes he gets way to tight and then he doesn't want to finish through the second half of the barrel.
     
    01-20-2012, 03:53 PM
  #4
Green Broke
I would shrink that pattern a little...My practice pattern is like half that size.

It's not too terrible not to have a trainer but it's always nice to be able to talk to a professional...I would find a trainer in your area, even if it's just to talk on the phone and see what they have to say. It never hurts to have a professional backing you up. You should watch some of the training videos by Sherry Cervi on Youtube..She's fantastic and really breaks it down so you can understand.

As far as your reins, I wouldn't worry about buying any new ones right now..You can always tie knots in the reins in certain places. This also helps to teach you where to place your hands and soon it becomes habit..So really it helps you in more than a few ways.
Not the best pic, but it shows you where the knots should be.



My best advice to you is to work on your ground before really running him anymore...Then take it slow with him, you never want to push a barrel horse too fast. It causes them to sour and hate their job. I would go back to walking and trotting the pattern while working on your flex and release, and teaching him to follow through with his body in his turns. He can't follow his head right yet...That all comes with time and patience but it's a key factor that you need to work on. His rating isn't bad but it's another thing I would work on...When your practicing trot up to the barrel until it is even with your knee and then back him a few steps, this teaches him to slow down at the barrel and have a steady position to work through your turn. I wouldn't run him at home over and over again..When I practice it's a lot of slow work (not on the barrels) then I may trot the pattern (doing the stopping and backing..focusing on flex and release) then I may do a fast lope ONCE. I never fully run at home. Ever. My horses know running is just at a show, slow and steady is at home...
     
    01-20-2012, 04:04 PM
  #5
Foal
Thank you so much, I really appreciate all the advice. I will take it back to basics and see if that helps!
     
    01-20-2012, 04:28 PM
  #6
Green Broke
You're welcome! Alright, let us know how it goes and good luck!
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    01-25-2012, 02:49 PM
  #7
Foal

DrumRunner had some really good points... just to put my 2 sense in for what it's worth :)

For sure get that pattern shrunk down, to at least half that size. Your horse doesn't need to lope the entire time, but rather work on the rate points, body position and over all turns.

Overall your first barrel looks pretty good in all your videos. Like DrumRunner said make sure and keep your body from leaning either in or out, that will just help your horse keep his body position correct.

Your second barrel, he is floating his butt out, which means he isn't engaging his hind end for the rate, he working off his front end. One of the biggest things I learned at a Kelly Kaminski clinic was when you go into your pocket, at your rate spot, stop your horse and ask for ONLY his hind end to make a small step to the inside, meaning your horse should be in a slight curved shape. What this does is it teaches the horse that instead of throwing their shoulder's into the barrel they throw their hind end into the inside which in turn lets them work off that hind inside foot quicker and smoother.

Over all the videos all lead to the same thing... do some more slower work. Work in a long trot by going into your barrels and asking for a stop at your rate spot, tip the hip inside and move one. Another big thing is when you ask for your stop at your rate spot and tip the hip inside, when you go to move forward move STRAIGHT forward THEN ask for them to come around, that teaches them not to come back on top of the barrel on the backside of the barrels.

On your second barrel when he is coming in at the odd angle, my mare used to do the same thing. You really need to make sure he is moving STRAIGHT into the pocket. What I did was change it up on my mare, when you come off your first and move on to second if he starts to cheat you make him go all the way to the fence and stop straight, turn to the right, go back to first and do it again until he stops cheating you into the second then allow him to make the turn into second when he stops diving.

He seems really quiet and make sure you don't add too much speed too fast! You guys are doing very well and there is always a lot to the barrel pattern and you guys will pick it up fast!

Good luck :)
     
    01-25-2012, 06:52 PM
  #8
Green Broke
JustaSkippenJess..Are you by any chance SkippersPerformanceSomething? I can't remember the exact name...
     
    01-25-2012, 07:00 PM
  #9
Foal
Haha yes maam that's me! I could't remember my logon info or even my email I used it had been so long! But decided I needed to come back for some good horsey talk! And when you mentioned the other account I tried another email that worked. But I will be on the other one from here on out.

No idea how or if I can even delete this account
     
    01-25-2012, 07:31 PM
  #10
Green Broke
I thought it was you! I'm glad your back!...I was about to take over the thread and ask 100 questions but I'm just going to pm you!
     

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