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  • How do you get a horse to not flare out from the third barrel
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    08-04-2011, 12:01 AM
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Hello :) Me and my 10 year old team roping mare have been doing some Barrel racing this summer, just to keep her up to snuff and spunky.

Please give us your feedback on these short videos from June, early in her training, up to now:





Thank you!
     
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    08-04-2011, 05:54 PM
  #2
Weanling
She looks ok. I noticed a few things though, 1st your going into the 1st barrel to straight, make a pocket and she wont lose so much momentum while turning it. It almost looks like she pauses, also might be why she keeps knocking it over. Second make sure you use your legs and move her over after every barrel, you want to come off the barrels as close as you can. From the 2nd barrel head straight at the 3rd, don't come off it so wide. Otherwise your doing a good job, just fix up those few issues.

Also, your running on hard un worked dirt. That's hard on a horses legs turning on that ground, it could injure her. Plus she'll never be able to really use herself on it like she could on deeper soft ground. If you know anyone with a disc see if they'll dig up some ground for you to run on. It'll help.
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    08-04-2011, 09:51 PM
  #3
Green Broke
First video

First try on the first barrel:
  • On the first barrel, she turned it on her front legs by pivoting around them. If she can't do it right at the walk, it's not going to go well faster. Gather her up and ask her to stay on her hindquarters in the turn. Use your legs and ask her to stay bent properly around the barrel and not flare her butt around it.
  • And get your body in position as if you were running. It teaches you muscle memory and it helps your horse have consistent cues from you. Lean forward, sit at the turn, use two hands, or just do whatever it is that you will do when you speed it up.
  • On that note, you just neck reined her around that first barrel (with your wrong outside hand), and even put your hand behind the back of the saddle? Will you do that in a run? Nope! So don't do it when you are practicing slow.
Second and third try first barrel:
  • Same advice as above.
  • Why are you neck reining with your outside hand? There's nothing wrong if your horse neck reins through a barrel pattern (my mother's horse does best, actually) but your horse clearly needs support with the outside rein and your legs.
  • You say on the start of the video that you have problems with turning right on that first barrel. With the things I pointed out, I believe it!!
Fourth try:
  • Little better. Looked like you appeared to use some direct rein.
  • Looks like you are really taking the turn wide though, coming out of it. Stay a reasonable distance from the barrel all the way around, staying in your pocket. You want a straight line from barrel to barrel -- not arching. That costs you time.
Last attempts:
  • I don't know that I'd be galloping quite yet. You're taking the turns VERY wide and she's not getting down on her butt in the turns. Also, you do have very hard ground around the barrels and not much to "dig into" so I'd be very careful that she doesn't slip. Or else go out there with a shovel if you have nothing else!!!! (Little elbow grease for the benefit of the horses.)
Second Video

First turn:
  • Much, much, much, MUCH better than that first video! Why don't you cue her the exact same way when you turn her right as you are when going left?
Second turn:
  • Whoops ... spoke too soon. There we go turning on the forehand again. Really use your legs to get her to bend around that barrel. I would suggest doing lots of circles and bending exercises AWAY from the barrels so that you can still work on the fundamentals, but not sour her on the pattern.
Galloping Turn:
  • Again, I wouldn't be galloping her quite yet. She's not quite ready for that. We really need to fix that turning on the forehand issue at the slower paces FIRST, before you can expect a good turn at faster speeds. The turn was too wide and she wasn't getting down on her butt.
  • Then again, I don't see any dirt around these barrels and galloping on grass (and even turning) is soooo dangerous! A horse can slip so easily.
  • Plus you come out wide from the turn. As I mentioned above you want a straight line from barrel to barrel. Keep true to your pocket.
Right turns:
  • That one looked decent.
Galloping right turns:
  • The first one was a bit tight (I know, I know, I've been saying they are too big up until now). She really lost speed around it (although I'm not too thrilled about that ground).
Close-up left turn:
  • looked pretty good on the first one
  • Arched out way too much on the second and third one. Finish those turns! Use your legs! It actually looked like you asked her to turn a bit too late, so ask her a little sooner.
Third Video (asking for speed)

First barrel
  • Eeeek!! First thing is the grass ..... Again, I'm very worried about the footing for her. Very easy to slip and nothing to dig into.
  • Push her farther past the barrel. You turned her too soon.
  • use your legs to keep her in position, and then you can push her away from the barrel if she's too close (as a correction).
  • Plus, look at your body language. THAT's what you also should be minicking when you do slow work.
Second and third barrel
  • Decent pockets and you didn't arc out when you left them. Good!
  • But watch your hand position. On the 2nd barrel you were pulling way out into the air. That is throwing her off. You need to keep your hands low and quiet. Simply twist the rein with your inside hand when you are ready to turn, and if you must, pull the rein toward your belt buckle.
  • Coming into the third barrel you are leaning into the turn. Don't lean. That throws her off balance. Keep yourself straight and tall and turn your hips with her in the turn.
Fourth Video (unedited)
  • Overall, not too shabby!
  • On the 1st barrel, push her deeper in the pocket before you turn. You really slowed down for the turn in order to take it that tightly, and we don't actually want to "slow down" for the turns (that costs time!!) But you do want to "collect" for the turns so that you can execute them properly.
  • 2nd barrel you are leaning into the turn and your elbow is going sky high!!! Shorten your reins and focus on keeping your hands lower and near your belt buckle. Came off a little wide on that turn too. Use your legs to keep her in and run a direct straight line from barrel 2 to barrel 3. No curves!!
  • Can't tell the best from the videos, but where are you looking when you turn? On the 3rd barrel here, it looks like you are looking AT the barrel, which is a no-no. Your horse usually goes where you look. We want the horse to go around the barrel, not at it. So either look at the points on the ground around the barrel you want to get to, or look somewhere past the barrel (like the fence).
Now, most of my comments are VERY nit-picky. It was a little sketchy on some of the earlier videos you posted, but these later ones looks like she is coming along very nicely and is doing a great job.

I know not everyone has access to an arena ..... but can you convince mom & dad (or someone) to dig up a little patch for the barrels? Even if all you can do is around the barrels, that's fine. Some dirt to grab onto is better than slippery grass.
     
    08-05-2011, 12:30 AM
  #4
Green Broke
Thanks Beau..I'm really glad I don't have to type all that. I got to your comment and was like Yes Ma'am..

To QHrider - Exactly what Beau said. She gave you very good advice.
     
    08-05-2011, 12:51 AM
  #5
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Thanks guys :)

About the ground... we have cattle grazing there, and it's honestly not as bad as it looks in the videos. I raked away most of the grass and stuff from the barrels in the last video. I was going to harrow it, but we have no tractors at the yard right now.. haying and such...

She's a heading horse, so left is pretty much all she knows. It's a pain to lope a right circle in the arena, but if I'm chasing cows in the feild, leads are constantly changing. -.-

I've been trying not to lean, but it's a BAAAAD habit. Also from roping, cause I have to help her to make a good corner - so I shift my weight forward and down on my left stirrup... Oh, and another roping habit: I feel awkward riding/ neckreining with my right hand. Which I'm also trying to fix...

Thanks for the advice! I'll be mowing that whole field soon, so I'll probably hook the tractor up to the harrows.
     
    08-05-2011, 01:06 AM
  #6
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Originally Posted by beau159    
First video


First try on the first barrel:
  • On the first barrel, she turned it on her front legs by pivoting around them. If she can't do it right at the walk, it's not going to go well faster. Gather her up and ask her to stay on her hindquarters in the turn. Use your legs and ask her to stay bent properly around the barrel and not flare her butt around it.
  • And get your body in position as if you were running. It teaches you muscle memory and it helps your horse have consistent cues from you. Lean forward, sit at the turn, use two hands, or just do whatever it is that you will do when you speed it up.
  • On that note, you just neck reined her around that first barrel (with your wrong outside hand), and even put your hand behind the back of the saddle? Will you do that in a run? Nope! So don't do it when you are practicing slow.
Second and third try first barrel:
  • Same advice as above.
  • Why are you neck reining with your outside hand? There's nothing wrong if your horse neck reins through a barrel pattern (my mother's horse does best, actually) but your horse clearly needs support with the outside rein and your legs.
  • You say on the start of the video that you have problems with turning right on that first barrel. With the things I pointed out, I believe it!!
Fourth try:
  • Little better. Looked like you appeared to use some direct rein.
  • Looks like you are really taking the turn wide though, coming out of it. Stay a reasonable distance from the barrel all the way around, staying in your pocket. You want a straight line from barrel to barrel -- not arching. That costs you time.
Last attempts:
  • I don't know that I'd be galloping quite yet. You're taking the turns VERY wide and she's not getting down on her butt in the turns. Also, you do have very hard ground around the barrels and not much to "dig into" so I'd be very careful that she doesn't slip. Or else go out there with a shovel if you have nothing else!!!! (Little elbow grease for the benefit of the horses.)
Second Video


First turn:
  • Much, much, much, MUCH better than that first video! Why don't you cue her the exact same way when you turn her right as you are when going left?
Second turn:
  • Whoops ... spoke too soon. There we go turning on the forehand again. Really use your legs to get her to bend around that barrel. I would suggest doing lots of circles and bending exercises AWAY from the barrels so that you can still work on the fundamentals, but not sour her on the pattern.
Galloping Turn:
  • Again, I wouldn't be galloping her quite yet. She's not quite ready for that. We really need to fix that turning on the forehand issue at the slower paces FIRST, before you can expect a good turn at faster speeds. The turn was too wide and she wasn't getting down on her butt.
  • Then again, I don't see any dirt around these barrels and galloping on grass (and even turning) is soooo dangerous! A horse can slip so easily.
  • Plus you come out wide from the turn. As I mentioned above you want a straight line from barrel to barrel. Keep true to your pocket.
Right turns:
  • That one looked decent.
Galloping right turns:
  • The first one was a bit tight (I know, I know, I've been saying they are too big up until now). She really lost speed around it (although I'm not too thrilled about that ground).
Close-up left turn:
  • looked pretty good on the first one
  • Arched out way too much on the second and third one. Finish those turns! Use your legs! It actually looked like you asked her to turn a bit too late, so ask her a little sooner.
Third Video (asking for speed)


First barrel
  • Eeeek!! First thing is the grass ..... Again, I'm very worried about the footing for her. Very easy to slip and nothing to dig into.
  • Push her farther past the barrel. You turned her too soon.
  • use your legs to keep her in position, and then you can push her away from the barrel if she's too close (as a correction).
  • Plus, look at your body language. THAT's what you also should be minicking when you do slow work.
Second and third barrel
  • Decent pockets and you didn't arc out when you left them. Good!
  • But watch your hand position. On the 2nd barrel you were pulling way out into the air. That is throwing her off. You need to keep your hands low and quiet. Simply twist the rein with your inside hand when you are ready to turn, and if you must, pull the rein toward your belt buckle.
  • Coming into the third barrel you are leaning into the turn. Don't lean. That throws her off balance. Keep yourself straight and tall and turn your hips with her in the turn.
Fourth Video (unedited)
  • Overall, not too shabby!
  • On the 1st barrel, push her deeper in the pocket before you turn. You really slowed down for the turn in order to take it that tightly, and we don't actually want to "slow down" for the turns (that costs time!!) But you do want to "collect" for the turns so that you can execute them properly.
  • 2nd barrel you are leaning into the turn and your elbow is going sky high!!! Shorten your reins and focus on keeping your hands lower and near your belt buckle. Came off a little wide on that turn too. Use your legs to keep her in and run a direct straight line from barrel 2 to barrel 3. No curves!!
  • Can't tell the best from the videos, but where are you looking when you turn? On the 3rd barrel here, it looks like you are looking AT the barrel, which is a no-no. Your horse usually goes where you look. We want the horse to go around the barrel, not at it. So either look at the points on the ground around the barrel you want to get to, or look somewhere past the barrel (like the fence).
Now, most of my comments are VERY nit-picky. It was a little sketchy on some of the earlier videos you posted, but these later ones looks like she is coming along very nicely and is doing a great job.

I know not everyone has access to an arena ..... but can you convince mom & dad (or someone) to dig up a little patch for the barrels? Even if all you can do is around the barrels, that's fine. Some dirt to grab onto is better than slippery grass.
^^^ agree!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by DrumRunner    
Thanks Beau..I'm really glad I don't have to type all that. I got to your comment and was like Yes Ma'am..

To QHrider - Exactly what Beau said. She gave you very good advice.

^^^ well snanders it seems we finally agree on something! :)
     
    08-05-2011, 08:54 AM
  #7
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by beau159    
First video

First try on the first barrel:
  • On the first barrel, she turned it on her front legs by pivoting around them. If she can't do it right at the walk, it's not going to go well faster. Gather her up and ask her to stay on her hindquarters in the turn. Use your legs and ask her to stay bent properly around the barrel and not flare her butt around it.
  • And get your body in position as if you were running. It teaches you muscle memory and it helps your horse have consistent cues from you. Lean forward, sit at the turn, use two hands, or just do whatever it is that you will do when you speed it up.
  • On that note, you just neck reined her around that first barrel (with your wrong outside hand), and even put your hand behind the back of the saddle? Will you do that in a run? Nope! So don't do it when you are practicing slow.
Second and third try first barrel:
  • Same advice as above.
  • Why are you neck reining with your outside hand? There's nothing wrong if your horse neck reins through a barrel pattern (my mother's horse does best, actually) but your horse clearly needs support with the outside rein and your legs.
  • You say on the start of the video that you have problems with turning right on that first barrel. With the things I pointed out, I believe it!!
Fourth try:
  • Little better. Looked like you appeared to use some direct rein.
  • Looks like you are really taking the turn wide though, coming out of it. Stay a reasonable distance from the barrel all the way around, staying in your pocket. You want a straight line from barrel to barrel -- not arching. That costs you time.
Last attempts:
  • I don't know that I'd be galloping quite yet. You're taking the turns VERY wide and she's not getting down on her butt in the turns. Also, you do have very hard ground around the barrels and not much to "dig into" so I'd be very careful that she doesn't slip. Or else go out there with a shovel if you have nothing else!!!! (Little elbow grease for the benefit of the horses.)
Second Video

First turn:
  • Much, much, much, MUCH better than that first video! Why don't you cue her the exact same way when you turn her right as you are when going left?
Second turn:
  • Whoops ... spoke too soon. There we go turning on the forehand again. Really use your legs to get her to bend around that barrel. I would suggest doing lots of circles and bending exercises AWAY from the barrels so that you can still work on the fundamentals, but not sour her on the pattern.
Galloping Turn:
  • Again, I wouldn't be galloping her quite yet. She's not quite ready for that. We really need to fix that turning on the forehand issue at the slower paces FIRST, before you can expect a good turn at faster speeds. The turn was too wide and she wasn't getting down on her butt.
  • Then again, I don't see any dirt around these barrels and galloping on grass (and even turning) is soooo dangerous! A horse can slip so easily.
  • Plus you come out wide from the turn. As I mentioned above you want a straight line from barrel to barrel. Keep true to your pocket.
Right turns:
  • That one looked decent.
Galloping right turns:
  • The first one was a bit tight (I know, I know, I've been saying they are too big up until now). She really lost speed around it (although I'm not too thrilled about that ground).
Close-up left turn:
  • looked pretty good on the first one
  • Arched out way too much on the second and third one. Finish those turns! Use your legs! It actually looked like you asked her to turn a bit too late, so ask her a little sooner.
Third Video (asking for speed)

First barrel
  • Eeeek!! First thing is the grass ..... Again, I'm very worried about the footing for her. Very easy to slip and nothing to dig into.
  • Push her farther past the barrel. You turned her too soon.
  • use your legs to keep her in position, and then you can push her away from the barrel if she's too close (as a correction).
  • Plus, look at your body language. THAT's what you also should be minicking when you do slow work.
Second and third barrel
  • Decent pockets and you didn't arc out when you left them. Good!
  • But watch your hand position. On the 2nd barrel you were pulling way out into the air. That is throwing her off. You need to keep your hands low and quiet. Simply twist the rein with your inside hand when you are ready to turn, and if you must, pull the rein toward your belt buckle.
  • Coming into the third barrel you are leaning into the turn. Don't lean. That throws her off balance. Keep yourself straight and tall and turn your hips with her in the turn.
Fourth Video (unedited)
  • Overall, not too shabby!
  • On the 1st barrel, push her deeper in the pocket before you turn. You really slowed down for the turn in order to take it that tightly, and we don't actually want to "slow down" for the turns (that costs time!!) But you do want to "collect" for the turns so that you can execute them properly.
  • 2nd barrel you are leaning into the turn and your elbow is going sky high!!! Shorten your reins and focus on keeping your hands lower and near your belt buckle. Came off a little wide on that turn too. Use your legs to keep her in and run a direct straight line from barrel 2 to barrel 3. No curves!!
  • Can't tell the best from the videos, but where are you looking when you turn? On the 3rd barrel here, it looks like you are looking AT the barrel, which is a no-no. Your horse usually goes where you look. We want the horse to go around the barrel, not at it. So either look at the points on the ground around the barrel you want to get to, or look somewhere past the barrel (like the fence).
Now, most of my comments are VERY nit-picky. It was a little sketchy on some of the earlier videos you posted, but these later ones looks like she is coming along very nicely and is doing a great job.

I know not everyone has access to an arena ..... but can you convince mom & dad (or someone) to dig up a little patch for the barrels? Even if all you can do is around the barrels, that's fine. Some dirt to grab onto is better than slippery grass.
Glad you typed all that out. Was hoping you'd come along and get every detail.
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    08-08-2011, 10:43 PM
  #8
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by QHriderKE    
About the ground... we have cattle grazing there, and it's honestly not as bad as it looks in the videos. I raked away most of the grass and stuff from the barrels in the last video. I was going to harrow it, but we have no tractors at the yard right now.. haying and such... .
If there are no breaks in the ground to the dirt, grass or no grass is slick slick (and hard). Kind of like comparing running on a gym floor in socks ... or in shoes! Sure, you can still run in socks and do okay, but the grip and grab you get with shoes sure helps out and decreases your chances of slipping.

Have you checked very carefully to make sure there are no holes created by gophers, moles, or badgers near or around where you are running her?

Understand about the haying and tractor demand. always had to wait until we had the disc out in order to chop down the sweet clover growing on our summer fallows where I had my barrels and poles set up. Until then, I was usually out there with a shovel and rake as best I could.

Quote:
Originally Posted by QHriderKE    
She's a heading horse, so left is pretty much all she knows. It's a pain to lope a right circle in the arena, but if I'm chasing cows in the feild, leads are constantly changing.
What I would do in that situation then, is to ask her to work on the right 90% of the time, and the left only 10%. You don't want to completely ignore the left side, but you do want to make her work on that side all the time until she's just as good going both ways. May take some time though. But that first barrel is the money barrel! It needs to be a good turn. It's a total disappointment when you practice and work hard, get to a barrel race, and blow your run right off the bat by knocking the first barrel. (Not that knocking any other barrel is any better .... but it kind of ruins things right off the bat!)

And make her stay on the lead you ask her to. Don't allow her to switch at her own leisure. (At least as best as you can focus on her while trying not to let the cows get away .... I know how it goes when rounding those buggers up.) Even if I'm out on the trails riding, I ask for a specific lead when I ask for a gallop. I like precision.



Quote:
Originally Posted by QHriderKE    
I've been trying not to lean, but it's a BAAAAD habit. Also from roping, cause I have to help her to make a good corner - so I shift my weight forward and down on my left stirrup... Oh, and another roping habit: I feel awkward riding/ neckreining with my right hand. Which I'm also trying to fix...
Sometimes I think rider habits are harder to break that horse habits. And we all have our own. My bad habit (s) is moving my hands too much during a run and also not pushing him deep enough into the pocket. I'm constantly reminding myself and really try to give myself a pep-talk reminder before each run.

Sounds like your leaning issue is going to have to be dealt with the same! What I like to do when I turn a barrel:
  • Let's pretent we are making a left turn.
  • As I am almost upon the point on my pocket where I want to gather for the turn, I will turn my hips to the left (left hip back; right hip forward) so that my right leg goes slightly forward and my left leg goes slightly back.
  • When I am ready to ask for the turn, I grab the horn with my right hand and wedge it into my right hip, to stablize myself. I then also pull my left hand slightly back toward my belt buckle and twist my wrist inward (counterclockwise) on the reins.
  • During the turn, I put almost all of my weight in my outside right stirrup. It is simple laws of physics. Weight to the outside helps you keep up your speed. I use my inside left leg for kicking if I need it.
  • I don't really "sit" during the turn. I am staying slightly out of the seat, sitting tall, and not leaning. Basically, I am using my wedged outside arm to keep myself as still and out of my horse's way as I can.
  • I learned this from a Lynn McKenzie barrel racing clinic and I really like how it felt, versus the "sit and turn" method I was doing before. However, this will depend on your riding style and your horse's turning style, so it may not work for everyone. But that's what works for us.
But the right hand riding is an easier fix .... ONLY allow yourself to ride with your right hand for the next month! (Unless you are barrel practicing.) You should get used to it in no time.
     

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