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post #11 of 13 Old 08-14-2013, 10:27 AM Thread Starter
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I used a correction bit to get him to soften to the pressure. Then switched back to the western copper roller snaffle. I train him according to my body position instead of bit pressure. But I was definately putting too much emphasis riding in the bit instead of my body position and leg pressure this time. Thats me being out of practice lately:(

I got the best results after a week of riding him in my close contact english saddle. Then we went back to the western saddle and I couldn't believe the difference ! Maybe I should try that again because he was so responsive.

I was wondering if maybe I need to try a lifter bit or a sweet 6 martha josey to encourage the lift in his shoulder. However I don't want to rely on a bit to fix issues.
He also does need his teeth filed a little. But the vet said there's no rush on it or anything.

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post #12 of 13 Old 08-14-2013, 12:32 PM
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Bending him properly around the barrel is going to help keep that shoulder UP. What you were doing in that video (turning his nose away from the barrel to keep him off of it) will absolutely cause either a dropped shoulder or a tipped barrel or both.

What I do with my horse who is very front end heavy:
--I head directly TOWARD the barrel. When we are about 15 feet out, I then ask him to give me his nose by using my inside hand, twisting my wrist up and toward my opposite shoulder. This also helps lift that shoulder. At the same time, I'm sitting my weight down in the saddle to rate and I'm also putting my inside leg on him (in the middle) to ask him to bend around that inside leg and to move over to set him up for the pocket.
--I make sure that I am looking at the points on the ground where I want him to travel; NOT looking at the barrel. I make sure to keep my inside hand lifted to keep him shoulder lifted throughout the whole turn, keeping his nose in and his hip in during the turn. Basically keeping that same bend.

Now a bit with a shank might help "lift" him better than a snaffle will, because the design of a snaffle doesn't have any lift because there isn't a shank or purchase.

I recently switched my horse to a Carol Goosetree Simplicity bit and I love it. It's a light bit, but I've still got that lift there.

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post #13 of 13 Old 08-16-2013, 04:44 PM
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OP, Good for you for taking this criticism and put it to GOOD use.

I understand the desire to have a fast horse and place and win. But...There's alot of prep work that goes into having a horse like that. We don't realize it until we train for it and think "OMG, I just want to RUNNNN" But we can't.

Lucky for me, I have 2 horses that I can ride at shows. My mom is letting me ride her finished speed horse, so I CAN run a horse and not be stuck training. Then there is my 6 year old that is over a year behind due to an injury. She is JUST NOW learning the patterns. It IS hard for me to just walk/trot a horse, but I do it because that's what HAS to be done.

Think of it this way...Your the slow one...FOR NOW. But in a year or two, YOU will be the one that has a calm, level headed horse, and runs the CORRECT way and LISTENS TO YOU and is your PARTNER. If you push too hard, too fast now, you will NOT have a partnership in the future. You will have a horse that fights you ever step of the way. And you will lose your patience and desire to ride because everything is a hassle and your horse doesn't listen.

Trust me, I have been there. I lost my desire to show after I sold my speed pony and only had a half-way trained speed horse as my backup.

I'm just now getting back into the game (the past 2 years) and it is **** HARD to be the one just trotting the patterns at shows. But, it's what my girl needs. I know for a fact next season, she'll be ready to pick up speed, and in 2 years, we WILL be winning.

It's well worth the wait to create a partnership with your horse and win together when the time is right.

You absolutely can go to a show and pick out the REAL riders and not the wanna-be's. The real riders care for their horses, down to the tiniest details. Don't follow the wanna-be's, you'll just pick up bad habits along the way and do nothing good for your horse.

Like Beau said, follow YOUR game plan. You'll be much better off in the end.

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