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post #1 of 45 Old 10-28-2012, 04:25 PM Thread Starter
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Critique us..

Okay so I know the last run is completely awful. That's my friend's horse and I've only ridden her once before so yeah, awful. Still figuring her out. So, just the first 3 runs. This was his first time running in a month and it was his fastest time yet! 4D!!! So proud of my boy!!

He's in a tom thumb and after reading some things about the TT, it's time to change his bit! What do y'all think I should try? He needs something to help pick him up and around the barrels. Now, keep in mind that it has to be wallet friendly, as I'm broke and looking for a job
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post #2 of 45 Old 10-28-2012, 10:30 PM
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not bad, and i would use a type of gag bit :)
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post #3 of 45 Old 10-28-2012, 11:01 PM
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What was the purpose of doing the pattern over and over again on the first horse? Everytime he didn't complete his turns or use his butt.

The 2nd horse.....eek. I'd go back to slow work.....take lessons or attend a clinic.
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post #4 of 45 Old 10-28-2012, 11:03 PM
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The first thing I can see is that your horse doesn't want to finish the barrel very well. Except the faster you went the better he was finishing his third barrel but the more he bowed out coming out of the first and second. Hopefully that makes sense.
I do really like your pockets you are giving him though.

I can't really help you with bits though.... Sorry!
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post #5 of 45 Old 10-28-2012, 11:03 PM
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Whoops! hah double post.

Also the first horse does not use his butt in his turns, I am not quite sure if that is just his turning style or if he was trained to do so. But I would make sure to get his hip up underneath himself in slow work and make sure to keep his shoulder up too.

For not finishing the turns make sure their isn't any soreness or any reasons why he doesn't want to finish his turns.

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post #6 of 45 Old 10-28-2012, 11:03 PM
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Id say for your first boy maybe try some sort of jr cowhorse bit or butterfly bit maybe.
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post #7 of 45 Old 10-28-2012, 11:04 PM
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It's not a bit issue.
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post #8 of 45 Old 10-28-2012, 11:33 PM
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1. Snaffles for both horses, maybe a Jr. Cowhorse for the black one.

2. Go back to slow work and.... Barrel Racing Exercises and Drills.
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post #9 of 45 Old 10-28-2012, 11:37 PM
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1redhorse- i know its not, i was just suggesting them as she asked for suggestions. Yes a snaffle would be a good idea as well. I didnt say anything about the riding as i know there are people who can offer morw help then i could.
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I would still ditch the Tom Thumb regardless, but as 1RedHorse already said, this really isn't a bit issue.

Especially in your first "run" when you are trotting around the first barrel, watch how his butt swings around his front end the whole time. He should be driving from his hind end, not swinging it around. This could be helped, in part, by adjusting your reins and hand position. Your reins are too long and you are holding your arm straight out to the side. Your hand should be more toward your saddle horn area; not straight out in the air.

While this particular rider is leaning forward a bit in her turn, check out her hand position. It is quiet, it is low, and it is only assisting the horse -- not pulling to the outside. Granted, every horse will run a little different and needs different "help", but in general, you want quiet, low hands.

You'll need to work on alot of drills to get your horse to use his hind end, and not swing it around. I'd go back to some slow work and slow drills AWAY from the pattern.

Dena Kirkpatrick's method talks a lot about "perfect circles" which is getting the horse to stay in a rounded frame, engaged hind quarters, on one inside rein in a circle. She has it on her DVD, but she does have a lot of free videos on YouTube. Here's one of them that can get you to the rest. I would suggest you watch them all.

You also need to finish all of your barrel turns. Especially on the 1st run-through, second barrel, you drift out instead of finishing the turn. When you get done with your barrel pattern, if you had a fresh clean arena, your tracks should mirror this pattern, with straight lines from barrel to barrel. Not drifts or arcs.

I won't comment at all on the last run on your friend's horse. Maybe practice a bit on some of these same things with that horse, next time, before making a run?

And not meant as a snotty remark, but I'm sure if you can afford a $50 to $100 entry fee at a rodeo/race, not to mention the gas/diesel to travel there, can't you afford to buy a proper bit for your horse? And skip the next race. Or at least try to borrow a bit to try from a friend. Tom Thumbs are best used as coat hangers.

As far as what bit to try, I'd go back to a regular ol' O-ring snaffle for now. Your horse has some issues with using his body correctly and going back to the basics is going to be your best bet.
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