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  • Reasons for hitting a barrel on the backside
  • Barrel horse run critique

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    10-29-2012, 11:18 AM
  #11
Weanling
The 2nd horse, I know it was a complete disaster. She's usually better then that. I've only ridden her once before and she'd never ridden in that arena and she's weird in new places. Even her owner said she is usually not like that. So I'm going to start riding her more, and maybe next it won't be as awful lol

And the money thing- those were all $5 exhibitions but I wasn't going to waste my money when I knew I couldn't win and my horse needed more experience. And the rodeo is 10 minutes away from my house It works out very nicely. And the reason we ran over and over again was I was just planning on exhibitioning him twice, but for some reason they kept calling my name. It was craziness that night.


Now, about him not using his butt. I had went to a lesson with the lady who owns this arena, and she told me he was using his butt and getting down around his turns. Obviously, he's not. So, not going to her for another lesson.

I was planning on going back this winter and working on basics, anyway. At home, I was trotting him through the pattern the other day, and he did awesome. He finished his turns, stayed where he needs to be, and everything that was wrong with his run in the video was perfect at home.

I have more to say but I've got to go, so I'll finish this later
     
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    10-29-2012, 11:55 AM
  #12
Weanling
My point with doing it over and over again was....it was repetitively incorrect :)
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    10-29-2012, 12:54 PM
  #13
Weanling
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Originally Posted by 1RedHorse    
My point with doing it over and over again was....it was repetitively incorrect :)
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Lol, yepp I got that!
     
    10-29-2012, 04:27 PM
  #14
Foal
I haven't read through anybody else's comments on here this is just what I noticed in the video.


Biggest thing I can tell you is it doesn't look to be a bit issue at all, but either way don't use a Tom Thumb, they are a terrible bit and are harsh on the horse's mouth. Seems like this horse doesn't need a lot of bit anyways, you could try something with a shank, probably a gag bit or a slider that way you can really get this horse's body giving everywhere and get that hind end control he desperately needs.

1. You and this horse really need to get back to the basics, not on the barrel pattern though. In the pen really working on getting the hind end engaged, doing roll backs can help that. Moving the shoulders but not the hind end and vice versa. When you barrel race it is so imperative that you can "break" the horse anywhere in it's body and move all parts separately with control. Sidepassing, backing up in circles, trotting circles and getting the horse's shoulder on the inside and outside (this one can be a bit difficult at first)

The horse is cutting you off on the backside of the barrels and with speed is going to start hitting the barrel on the backside... any barrel horse should not turn without your cue not matter what.

You really need to work on getting the hind end engaged, not only will it be a better, smoother turn for you and the horse, but it will also ensure that the horse isn't going to develop disease or discomfort down the road due to all the front end impact.

Do figure eights trotting then gradually working up to loping. Barrel horses need to be able to switch their leads on a dime, both front and back. Being on the correct lead is extremely important around the barrels.

The last run with speed was out of control... not trying to be rude here, but it is SOOO important to have all the absolute basics down with a horse before even attempting a lope or faster. The horse is consistently on the incorrect lead and simply isn't engaging his hind end at all so he is bowing out and swinging his butt all over the place.

You need to think of the patter as straight lines all the time....

Example:
You approach your first barrel. At your rate/pocket spot stop your horse, and tip his hip in just slightly - this is a exercise the I learned from Kelly Kaminski, it teaches your horse to approach the barrels with the hip to the inside, engaging the hip the entire turn... not their shoulder, which we all know usually results in nailing barrels.

After stopping at the rate spot and tipping the hip inwards slightly, TAKE ONE STEP FORWARD!!! (do not start your turn yet) the reason for this is by taking the one step forward teaches the horse not to cut off the barrel, especially on the backside.

Line up with the backside of the barrel in a straight line and stop again... let your horse sit for a bit then take your one step FORWARD and do the same one more time before completing your turn.

Working the barrel like a box helps train at each point of the turn, not just one

You see a lot of people that go in and stop at the rate spot and then continue on with the entire turn... this way it helps teach your horse where his body needs to be at every step of the turn.

Make sure that between your barrels you are keeping straight lines and are always lined up for your turn.

It is difficult to explain via text like this. It would be extremely helpful for you to get involved with someone in your area the can help you one on one or watch how to videos on youtube. Fallon Taylor puts out some good ones as well as Sherry Cervi and a bunch of others as well.

Another thing, don't do the pattern over and over again, that is a good way to sour a horse fast and then you will run into a lot more behavioral issues. Use just a single barrel in the pen to practice your turns instead of the entire pattern. Use poles or cones or really anything just to get the basic body position for your and your horse.
Good luck!!
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    10-29-2012, 06:15 PM
  #15
Weanling
Jess, you had me freaking out about the leads thing!! I thought you were talking about the first horse! I went and watched the video a couple times and I was all confused. Then I re-read your post and figured out what you were talking about. And yes, I know that last run was out of control. She's not my horse, she's in a hackamore and I'm not used to the way she runs, and I have only ridden that horse one other time and it was at home and she did great there. Plus, she had never run in this arena and she's really weird about new places. So it was an all-out disaster. Her owners told me that I was going to start riding her more and they are going to help me with her, so next time will be better.

As for my horse, I could run him in a halter and he'd be fine in it. I think I'm going to try a hackamore and see how he does in it. But this winter, we are going back to the basics and working on using his butt. And once we get our truck fixed, I've got a couple of girls who will work with us. They've both been to NBHA Finals a few times, so I'm really hoping that working with them will help

ETA; Once I get him a new bit, do y'all think he would need the tie-down as much? He's holds his head super high right now and after reading some of the threads about the TT, I think that's one reason why.
     
    10-29-2012, 06:28 PM
  #16
Foal
That sounds like a great plan! Go back to the basics and you will be able to have more control and an overall better pattern. Having the support of other girls that barrel race is a huge help, having other people critique your runs/work will overall be the best thing for you and your horse.

As for the horse that you are riding that isn't your, keep hauling to races, that is a great way for the horse to get used to you and being in different places. Just do a few exhibitions/ timed runs and keep them at a trot and really make sure the turns are correct. If the horse so much as takes one wrong step, take your time and re work the barrel again until it is correct. Never move on until it is correct. You are paying for these "practice runs" so take your time and if you have to circle the barrel two, three or even four times before moving on DO IT! :) Even go back to the previous barrel to get the correct approach to the problem barrel before moving on.

Barrel racing is all about patience, repetitiveness and consistency. You will get it!
     
    10-29-2012, 09:22 PM
  #17
Weanling
Thank you!!!
     
    10-30-2012, 12:49 AM
  #18
Foal
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Originally Posted by BarrelRacer67    
Thank you!!!
No problem at all. Things like this take patience and consistency. It may get boring doing all the slow work, but just think it is absolutely going to pay off in the long run and both you and the horse you are riding will be CORRECT!! Which is the most important thing in a barrel pattern to me. If you can't take first place in every race/rodeo at least make sure it is correct and go from there! :)
     
    10-30-2012, 09:30 AM
  #19
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by BarrelRacer67    
ETA; Once I get him a new bit, do y'all think he would need the tie-down as much? He's holds his head super high right now and after reading some of the threads about the TT, I think that's one reason why.
Good chance it's the TT's fault. However, when he better learns how to carry his body in a collected frame around the barrel, using his hind end, his head should naturally come down as well. So you've at least got two things contributing to a high headset (poor bit, and poor body position) that should be able to be fixed without a tie down.
     
    10-30-2012, 12:56 PM
  #20
Weanling
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Originally Posted by beau159    
Good chance it's the TT's fault. However, when he better learns how to carry his body in a collected frame around the barrel, using his hind end, his head should naturally come down as well. So you've at least got two things contributing to a high headset (poor bit, and poor body position) that should be able to be fixed without a tie down.


I hope so!! Thank you!
     

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