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post #11 of 15 Old 03-29-2012, 03:40 PM
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I trailride and gather cows on my barrel horse....she can do a decent reining pattern.

There's no way id ever compete on her in jumping cutting etc bc I paid good money for her and I WILL NOT risk injuring her doing something she doesn't excel in.

I run with people that have 30k plus barrel horses. Of COURSE these horses are well trained. A couple weekends ago I rode a friends barrel horse bridleless. They can't afford not to have a well trained horse bc they depend on winning money back and are sponsored.

Now....a well trained barrel horse is a well trained horse, period.
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post #12 of 15 Old 03-29-2012, 04:07 PM
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There is nothing wrong with specializing in one discipline. If you wish to excel at a discipline, its better to focus on that one. I've always viewed english as something for fun, to keep from being bored. Me and the horse. My current horse will never be jumped, probably never shown in a hunt seat class. A pleasure trainer I know, he calls himself specialized he only does western pleasure. A trained horse is a trained horse no matter what discipline their being shown in.
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post #13 of 15 Old 03-29-2012, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by flyingchange1991 View Post
my intention was not to bash the sport beau159 my original goal was to ask people "HOW DO YOU TRAIN A HORSE TO BE GOOD AT BOTH PLEASURE AND GAMES?"
Then you should ask simply that, and not precede it with saying " honestly get really ticked about barrel racing" and then talking about all the bad barrel racers you've seen. That was unnecessary. Ask the question you want to know and don't confabulate it with other comments.

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and for the record none of you have really answered my question other than "you must not have been around a lot of barrel racing" and "my horse is dead broke" and "if you want to turn your pleasure horse into a games horse go for it!" none have answered my question of how you actually cross train your horse to be good at both!
Sure did. Right here:

To train a horse to do many things, you've got to start with a TRAINED horse. Period. They should be able to do any fundamental: backing freely, stopping with a soft mouth from any gait, walk/trot/canter on a loose rein, side pass, know diagonals, turn on the fore or haunches, rollbacks, simple and flying lead changes, direct and neck reining, etc. Only when you can move any part of your horse's body in any direction, at any speed, at any time, should you start training them for any discipline or sport. If your horse is trained in the fundamentals, you can do anything with them (pleasure, reining, competitive trail, showmanship, horsemanship, barrels, poles, gaming, etc, etc).
If you want to train a horse to do western pleasure, then do so. If you want to train them for barrels, then do so. I don't know what kind of answer you are looking for. It still boils down to your horse being fully trained FIRST, and then just teach them to do things as you go along Everything correlates to the other. So just like a western pleasure horse can move at a slow, collected canter, so should your barrel horse be able to slowly, and calmly move at a nice lope. Yes, there are slight differences to the two (which is where that training and fine-tuning comes into play) but that's why you need to start with a well-trained horse.

I already listed you a bunch of references for barrel racing training. So again, I suggest you read up and educate yourself. Of course, it's always best to find a trainer to work with but most people say they can't find one or they can't afford it...... Same with western pleasure or any other showing event. Educate yourself so you can train your horse.

I'm not going to sit here and type it out on how to train your horse for every event. I'd be sitting here for months. That's why there are entire books on each event and how to train for it.

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post #14 of 15 Old 03-30-2012, 10:44 AM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by BarrelRacer23 View Post
To answer your question, I dont think it's possiable to have a horse do both. At least do both well and good. In each discipline your asking the horse to move in a different style. Running a pleasure horse on barrels would just ruin all the hard work into making it into a pleasure horse. Why I like english, the horses move more the same so it's easy to go between. Actually the only horses last year to compete in the jumping classes were all barrel horses and riders. I can make one of my horses do the western jog, but not the lope. So cross training for both would be useless if you want to actually be competitive in one. Because they clash. It's easier to find disciplines in when which the horses move the same way.
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i honestly think it might be true but im looking at western reining horses and they can do a jog a lope and a gallop so there has to be a way to cross train both, but im an english fan too i'd like to have my mare do more english once shes more settled down
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post #15 of 15 Old 03-30-2012, 10:51 AM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by oh vair oh View Post
The answer to how to cross-train your horse is to just train a dead good horse. A horse that stops when you tell him to, slows down when you tell him to, speeds up, turns, etc.

A horse with a good foundation and a horse that actively listen and obeys his rider should be prepared for almost anything.

Honestly I would train the pleasure first, then do the barrels as if it were a pleasure exercise in turning circles. Then turn on the speed. A good pleasure horse should be able to tell the different between when you want him to gallop fast and when you want him to do a pleasure lope.

I don't believe horses should be "specialized" animals. My western pleasure gelding ran barrels (he was dead last each time), but it was fun and he tried. Then the next day he could turn around and do his slow lope again. It's simply an extension of training.
thanks for the info! do you face before you ask him to gallop or just ask him to extend the lope straight out (i really hope i used that right)
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