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    07-21-2010, 01:45 AM
  #1
Foal
Help? (:

Okay, so I have a 4 year old paint horse that has known the patterns since she was a two-year old (when I got her) since we couldn't ride yet. I've broken her out myself and 99.9% of the time she behaves better than my 22 year old arthritic thoroughbred. This is her first year "running" running, and we've encountered a few problems.

First off: She knows these patterns and she knows we are going to run, but in barrels and the end poles on our pole patterns she lifts her head up in the latter half of the turn, losing speed, and losing time. She always gets back up to speed, but in order to ever really place she needs to get over that.

I've always run her in a long shanked mechanical hackamore, because she absolutely detests bits, though will work in one. After my last show I decided to try a tie-down to keep her head down, but now in the hackamore she won't turn. So now I've been trying her in a Tom-Thumb, but she won't turn as well as before.

My trainer had said that she has "too much bit" with the hack, so I was thinking trying a Beetle-type hackamore? She usually stops on a dime so I don't think stopping will be a problem, but she did not like the S-bend I tried on her a few weeks ago.

Any advice?
     
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    07-21-2010, 01:49 AM
  #2
Weanling
Have you ever had her teeth done? That could be why, and I personally hate the old hackmores, the newer ones are much better. Like the beetle hack and jim warner hackamore
     
    07-21-2010, 01:53 AM
  #3
Banned
She may just be learning how to brace against the tie down. That's a good thing in my opinion because it sounds like she needs more balance in those tight, fast turns. Now on to the bit...I have tried every bit that I can think of on my gelding and am still searching. Its always difficult to find something that has good turn and good brakes at the same time. Have you tried something with a bit of a loose ring-gag action? I can picture a bit but can't think of the name...maybe a jr cowhorse? I like the wonderbits but they can be a bit tough...especially on such a soft, young horse. They do give great turn though. I always start with the lightest possible and work my way up. Id start all the way at the bottom with an o ring snaffle and go from there.

Good luck with your girl! Sounds like you guys are just a few seconds away from the money! That's such a frustrating place to be but it will be all worth it!
     
    07-21-2010, 02:06 AM
  #4
Foal
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Originally Posted by BarrelRacer86    
Have you ever had her teeth done? That could be why, and I personally hate the old hackmores, the newer ones are much better. Like the beetle hack and jim warner hackamore
Not yet, but I've had them checked and they don't interfere with the bit, she's a horse that just doesn't like it. I wish we could just show in a bosal, she's wonderful in that.

I saw the Jim Warner, but for guess and check I think I'm going to save that for last as its eighty dollars. The Beetle I found is cheaper. I really only had the mechanical hack for training her. Something with a bit of whoa. Lol.
     
    07-21-2010, 02:09 AM
  #5
Foal
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Originally Posted by corinowalk    
She may just be learning how to brace against the tie down. That's a good thing in my opinion because it sounds like she needs more balance in those tight, fast turns. Now on to the bit...I have tried every bit that I can think of on my gelding and am still searching. Its always difficult to find something that has good turn and good brakes at the same time. Have you tried something with a bit of a loose ring-gag action? I can picture a bit but can't think of the name...maybe a jr cowhorse? I like the wonderbits but they can be a bit tough...especially on such a soft, young horse. They do give great turn though. I always start with the lightest possible and work my way up. Id start all the way at the bottom with an o ring snaffle and go from there.

Good luck with your girl! Sounds like you guys are just a few seconds away from the money! That's such a frustrating place to be but it will be all worth it!
Yeah, this weekend on a 18 second pattern we ran a 21.23. The last placing was a 20.9.

I don't know if whoa is as big of a concern as I've had her stop on a dime in our bosal. Though she tried to run through my O-ring snaffle.
     
    08-04-2010, 04:15 PM
  #6
Foal
I'm a little late here, lol sorry. I run one of my geldings in a jim warner wannabe. Lol. It's made JUST like a Jim Warner without the name. It cost me 40 bucks. It has swivel shanks and a rope nose. The beetle hack is for a horse with lots of natural rate. Tom thumbs can easily be rejected. Have you ever tried to work her in a german martingale? I usually start all my horses in one, it helps encourage collection, when you engage the bit, it allows it to bring the pull from down low. A jr. Cow horse is a great bit. My main gelding runs in a 'perfect bit'. Gotta love those picky horses,lol. I wonder what is causing her to lift her head in the end of the turns. IMO I would try a war bonnet type tie down, that way you can still control the tip of her nose but keep her head down. Since you'll be running in a hack, regardless of the type that you choose, it'll be a tug of war type turn if you let the regular tie down keep control of her nose. Keep us updated on how she's doing!
     
    08-05-2010, 11:22 PM
  #7
Foal
Get rid of the Tom-Thumb. Especially if your doing barrels. THat bit is quite harsh. It puts a ton of pressure to the pool..Wehn barrel racing NOT a good idea.

Keep us posted :)
     
    08-05-2010, 11:31 PM
  #8
Foal
I think your trainer has it right, but I would not switch to a bit if she does not need it. You could try a side pull, they have the same auction of a snaffle bit. Ill let you know cause I am doing my first ever barrel event this weekend on my gelding

Of you could go with something this here (# 964)
Reinsman Hackamore Bits @ Kyhorse.com
     
    08-06-2010, 12:09 AM
  #9
Foal
A side pull hack doesn't do much more than a halter, except add a tougher noseband. You want to maintain more control than that... IMO. The tom thumb puts a lot of pressure on the bars of a horses mouth as well... Its a seemingly innocent bit, but can cause a lot of discomfort.. (As can any bit). I just bought another Knock-off JIm Warner for 40 bucks today. They're inexpensive, yet super effective. Its also a great addition to your bit collection if you want to give any horse a break.
Good luck on ur run Yukontanya!!!I have an NBHA run Sat morning!
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    08-07-2010, 12:47 PM
  #10
JRL
Foal
Some of your head lifting issues might not be a bit at all. Pay close attention to your hands in the entry into the pocket. I've seen alot of new barrel racers with hands way to high. That and pulling back like they are in a show arena, just way harder. I train my barrel horses to one rein stop, which means that they know the difference between pulling back and pulling to the side. If your hands are high and your pulling straight back, your horses head will come up and it will slow down. You can try and mask the problem with a tye down, but your times will still be slower. Don't get me wrong I use a tye down in training, but I don't use one unless I have to. I've seen to many horses dependant on the tye down to balance and when it breaks they are useless. If you use one now, try letting it out just a little everyso often so eventually you don't need one. In the turns, try setting your horses head into the pocket with lower hands. Start by coming into the barrel wider than you think you should. And pull your horses head over and down into the pocket. Your inside rein should be out past your knee. This will keep your horse from looking OVER the barrel and trying to rush the turn (which leads to shouldering into the barrel and knocked over barrels) Its going to take time to master it, especially if you come from a different style of riding, ie western pleasure, english, ect...As far as bits go, I use a bit called a quick-stop. Its a gag-hack combo and they come in various degrees of correction. I use it on my 1D horse and it works great. Ill put a picture in my post of me on my 1D Jackpot horse. I make some pretty good money on her! If you notice where my inside hand is and how tight she is in the pocket. (took high point and alot of peoples money that day) But she didnt get there over night so keep training and you will get there if you want it bad enough! Good luck!
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