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    11-24-2011, 10:13 PM
PLEASE check into the shallow pallet.

FWIW I HATE Billy Allen mouthpieces on barrel horses.

If she does in fact have a pallet issue check into this website and have a custom bit made.

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    11-24-2011, 10:36 PM
I know plenty of horses that can run in a snaffle.

Both of my horses do not, however. I have a smaller horse that has more go than whoa (and trust me, we're working on that).
And for some reason my new gelding prefers his black satin gag bit more. Whoever rides him MUST have soft, light hands though, cause that is a pretty harsh bit.
    11-24-2011, 11:26 PM
To me a horse that is soft and supple. And was trained properly to be Truly responsive to a bit should be able to do any discipline in a snaffle.
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    11-24-2011, 11:33 PM
Originally Posted by 1RedHorse    
PLEASE check into the shallow pallet.

FWIW I HATE Billy Allen mouthpieces on barrel horses.
Why is that? I absolutely love the independent side action, lift, and hold you can get on the Myler equivalent mouthpiece. It was the only thing Bones would work it that didn't tear her face off with the harshness.

If she does in fact have a pallet issue check into this website and have a custom bit made.

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I got all excited because those are mighty affordable custom bits, and I'd really like to have a few made, but they don't have a single shank that's not a gag nor anything I'd consider a good mouthpiece.

And MAN, the godawful things they sell for barrel horses....

There's is just plain NO excuse for any of the above. I'd say, really, it's about time the associations started instituting some regulations. Because that frankly amount to animal abuse.
    11-24-2011, 11:34 PM
Thanks guys. I really do think its just her sensitivity, because the owner rides her horses pretty hard and I think my mare just isn't the type that needs to be gotten after for doing something wrong. It's not that the owner is doing things on purpose, but I think she's so set in her old cowboy ways that keeping anything in a snaffle is like asking christ himself to rise out of a wedding cake, it just doesn't happen in her mind.

I'll keep her in the snaffle for a little while and we'll see how it goes.
    11-24-2011, 11:37 PM
Bubba we posted at the same time and I can honestly say I have never seen any barrel racer do well in any of those contraptions. I've seen the name brand bits (Carol goostree, sherry cervi, martha josey, sharon camarillo, etc) and those I'm not COMPLETELY against (In most, not all, cases) and I have seen some wonderfully trained horses run in them and do great then step right off and go ride a reining pattern bridleless.

It's just when people slap those things on and have no idea what they are doing that it creates a problem.

EDIT: I just now looked at that website. Okay ew. I wouldn't get a custom one off that site because I agree with you, those are horrible mouthpiece selections and I only see one maybe 1/16 of an acceptable cheekpiece.
    11-24-2011, 11:42 PM
Oh, I barrel raced for years, and used some very severe bits and equipment, but never anything approaching the photos I showed. Holy crap. It's the wire bonnets and nosebands that really get me. There's a rope bonnet, too, that puts abrasive pressure right on your horse's orbitals. Wouldn't be hard to have blood running into their eyes by the end of the run. Those spurs are going to do nothing but slice and dice, as you can't control the exact placement of the sharp rowels. And nobody needs shanks that long, with that much of a leverage ratio. Gah.
    11-25-2011, 12:24 AM
I posted that site bc of the snaffle options. You can combine any of them.

Yes there are some harsh and bizarre bits on there.
    11-25-2011, 12:26 AM
I had a custom loose ring made with the small snaffle mouthpiece and lifesaver for my shallow mouthed horse. I'd post pics but I sold it.

It's hard me to believe that none of you barrel racers have heard of that site. I know several very respected trainers that order from them.

They had a booth at the Mega in Jackson....super nice people.
    11-25-2011, 12:29 AM
I used Shallow Creek for custom orders in the past. Everything else I bought pre-made.
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