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    07-23-2013, 01:32 AM
Green Broke
I know her head is upitty, but I'm gauging things by how relaxed and soft she feels, not by where she's holding her head.
She is deffs much better with a martengale...
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    07-23-2013, 02:08 AM
Okay here we go, I'm just going through the video as I watch it...

She started to kick her hip a little in the beginning but it looks like you caught it on the backside of that first barrel at the trot which is good. You still came in a little too straight to the second, but circling it multiple times with that bend was good.

One thing I'm noticing big time is your hands are getting worse. Keep them low, spread apart, and don't drag your outside rein across her neck. That's going to make her drop her should and also cause for her blowing her hip out. Pull your outside rein just to your pommel and hold it there. Keep your inside hand low and to your pockets, and use your legs to hold her off the barrel. Right now it looks like your inside rein is being used to try and hold her off, which is making her bracey and is going to cause problems when you go faster. If she is trying to cut in on you, use your inside leg and counter arc her away from the barrel and leave it, or walk past the barrel to keep her stood up. Don't bring your hands up unless you wanna move them somewhere.

However, I do think that bend helped with her hip kicking. She did take a step out with her hip at the end of the second but it was in while you were circling which is improvement.

You can really see it on the third barrel first time through, you're not giving her the angle. Start bending her WAYYY out there, thirty feet out, halfway between the first and the second "tap tap" inside leg and bend her. Don't forget soften, bend is nothing without softening, but at this stage any little improvement is good.

On thing I'm noticing too is you are constantly on her face. Loosen your reins when she gives to you, relax a little, breathe her down if she gets hot on you. She's swishing her tail, chewing on the bit, and fighting you every step of the way because you're stressing her out. Don't pull so much, I think that would really settle her down. Just barely tighten your hand when you ask her to do something, and follow through with a gentle and then firmer and firmer pull if you need to. If you're always on her mouth, she'll never learn to soften up and come time to run barrels you'll have a lot of horse on your hands who doesn't know how to back off the bit...Which will be a lot of trouble.

The third time you went through, when you did your 360 around the first, she kicked her hip. She's kicking her hip almost every time at least one step..Which, granted, it's better than every single step that she used to do. You've gone from blowing her hip 95% of the time to only doing it about 75% of the time...But still, that's a good start, and I'm sure you'll get it down. Just think balanced thoughts. Imagine you're riding a third level dressage horse. Everything has to be right in place or they'll get in bad habits.

You really need to get this horse softening girl...The longer you wait and don't fuss over it, the worse she's going to get, and the harder it'll be to fix. Trust me, you NEED to have that button on her where she'll drop her head at the slight twitch of your finger. You'll never get her rounded up and driving from behind if you don't get her respecting the bit. Right now she's just kind of flipping you off, and since you use your hands a lot around the barrels that's not going to help at all.

I would get off the pattern for awhile and ride like you're riding a reiner or a dressage horse. Just spend a couple weeks getting her broke, broke, broke. I know she's a hot horse, hard to handle, and very opinionated but you gotta get her going better soon or she's going to get in bad habits you might not be able to fix.

I hope you don't think I'm being mean, that's just what I think...I don't wanna see you get in too big of trouble later on for not making the adjustments you need now.
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    07-23-2013, 02:13 AM

Think soft like this.

I mean, yeah, over exaggeration, but if you ride every day like you're trying to achieve that...Then I guarantee she'll get a lot better. I want you to notice the rider too, how quiet he rides and especially how low his hands are.
    07-23-2013, 02:34 AM
Green Broke
Okay. So heres the thing.
I've spent many many hours riding like that, hands low, asking for her to be soft and blah blah blah. And all she does is gets bunched up like an accordion. I slide her rein and give her leg, but she just grabs the rein and the head goes UP. You have no idea how long I've spent on her back trying to get that to work, and its a fight every step of the way. I will maybe get a little of what I'm asking for at the end of a ride, but when I ask for it the next ride, its like starting over from square one.

I know everyone is going to say, "Oooh go get a trainer then."
Whats a trainer going to do? Try all of the things I've been told to try and have been working on over the past 3 years? Maybe strap some gadgets to her face and try then?

I'm at the point where I ask for a little, take what I get in terms of roundness and so on, and just go out and ride my horse.

I spend every other ride or so working on such things.

I realize my hands got a little UP and BUSY today, but I made the stupid mistake of trying to do my warm up out in the hay field and she was so intent on eating the hay that nothing was going to be working, so we started the whole ride over back at my "dirt" and by then, she was all hot and bothered and being a witch. Just another one of those days.

I don't even know. I can't get anything right lol.
    07-23-2013, 02:39 AM
Have you tried maybe putting her in the round pen, giving her the loosest, draping rein you can, and just making her lope and lope and lope without ever once picking up your hand?

There's gotta be a way to get this horse relaxed. If she can't ever relax and chill out, then I don't know what you're going to do...She's surely and athletic and talented animal you just gotta find it in there somewhere.
    07-23-2013, 02:41 AM
Green Broke
I've tried the whole loping thing... and she'll just RUN. And I've tried running her out. Well I can't. She doesnt quit and then it takes a week to get running off of her mind.
Not going down that road again.

She has been relaxing quite well lately, well... as good as she's ever been I guess, that's why I've really been working the pattern consistently.

And then I have my mom barking in my ear to just go and run the pattern cause I've been "doing it slow for so long" and she doesnt understand no matter how much I explain it to her. She just thinks I have to go out and run the pattern 5 times and call it good for the day.
    07-23-2013, 10:52 AM
I really think Squiggy and Red were twins separated at birth. They are so identical.


I did. I realized that I needed help with Red (who was doing many of the exact same things Squiggy is doing). I tried and tried and tried to get him soft and get him bending and I couldn't do it. Sent him to a reining trainer for 30 days (with lessons for me included .... always have to train the rider too!) and Red is so amazing now. So now when he's not bending, it is MY fault and ME making an error; not him. I can get a beautiful bend in his body by picking up that inside rein and giving him some inside leg.

I also have a set of "tools" to bring that headset down naturally and get him relaxed. He really does have beautiful western pleasure gaits when he relaxes (evident of our show success this past weekend!).

He used to bolt horribly when he was spooked at something. He hasn't bolted once the entire year because, again, I've got a set of tools to quietly get his mind back on me.

I never knew "getting a trainer" would help so much. Even though I've already started him myself, I'm also going to send my 2-yr-old to her next spring, because I liked her so much. She is almost a two hour drive one-way, but I'm not going to let any Joe Schmo work on my horse. I need credentials.

I hate to say it, because you have been working so hard with Squiggy and trying so many things ..... but I agree with Sorrel. I think it is finally time you do get a trainer to help you teach Squiggy to soften and to bend and to relax. I did say it a while back already, but I do think you need to get her away from the barrels and focus on softening. You are not going to progress in barrels if you can't get her soft.

And you don't know what you don't know. Who knows; you might learn a thing or two from the trainer. There's no shame in learning new things!!!

It is time to enlist some training help.
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    07-23-2013, 12:30 PM
Green Broke
I don't know how many times I have to say the same thing. The only "trainers" around here willing to take horses in are young guys breaking colts. I rope with a guy who really knows his stuff but he doesn't want to take outside horses in and doesn't have time for my horse. I've hinted at it before at roping practice.

I could call a trainer or two farther away, but they don't do "lessons". And then I will have my parents barking in my ears about it and saying no. Especially now that I have schooling and stuff to pay for coming up. They don't believe in sending horses away unless its a tough one to get broke. Not a horse that isnt "soft enough". They complain about 80% of my training as it is. I have a hard enough time getting through that.

At this point in life, I have to learn how to do it myself.

Beau, I don't think Red and Squiggy are quite the same. Lol. Squiggy is a bit more of a firecracker.
    07-23-2013, 12:57 PM
Although I know diddley squat about barrels, I do understand the frustrations of finding a trainer in SK here, BUT, if you can haul out even once a month to get some on the spot coaching it makes a huge difference. I was struggling on my own with Ben, and just taking a few lessons with Cassie made such a difference, just a reminder to lift a hand a little, or push a little harder now you really can't replace that.
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    07-23-2013, 02:54 PM
Green Broke
It's hard for you to find a trainer - and probably even harder for me. The only lessons around here are one girl giving little kids riding "lessons".

Anywho. Just got in from riding and focused on softness and bending and her leads at the end.
She IS soft. If I play the bit a little and bump with my leg, her head drops. Its not like she doesn't know all of that stuff.

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