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    07-25-2012, 09:37 AM
  #11
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by DrumRunner    
He doesn't know how to follow through with his body yet or how to correctly turn, that's why he's blowing the back side of the barrels.
Why do you say he is blowing the backside of the barrels? (Referring to the TROTTING videos)

He did come off a bit wide on the backside of the first barrel on the first video. That was more my fault on trotting through the pattern the first time that night. I should have gathered him up more.

He is really bendy in the neck, so I as the rider need to work more on using my hands less and legs more to keep him on his hindquarters. My last barrel horse wasn't bendy at all, so this is a big rider change I need to work on.

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Originally Posted by DrumRunner    
I wouldn't continue to lope the pattern, especially if he's only been on the pattern a week..
That is the first and only time I let him gallop through the whole thing. Figured I'd post it for how much he's NOT ready to gallop . Like I said, it was a "lets try this for the heck of it". He blew it, as I figured he would, but I think it made him realize that he can't do that yet. Hubby quit video'ing after that, but he didn't try to rush the barrels as much after that, because he couldn't make the turn when I let him go faster. He's a smart cookie....

I don't plan on making a habit of it. He's not ready.

We do also walk the pattern a lot. I haven't skipped that. My husband didn't video any of those so I don't have any to post.


But thank you for the critique.
     
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    07-25-2012, 09:52 AM
  #12
Trained
Wow! You have been a busy gal! Congrats on everything and sorry to hear about Beau!

Red is too cute! I can't wait to see him once you get him muscled up, one stout pony :)
     
    07-25-2012, 10:19 AM
  #13
Green Broke
Busy indeed! I am happy if I can get out there 3 or 4 times a week to ride him. I absolutely love where I board and the couple I board with, but it stinks that they don't have an arena. And stinks that I don't have a trailer of my own yet. My board people have been a gem and have let me use their trailer, but I don't want to use it much, because it's not mine!

There is an indoor arena a mile down the road but I have been trying to get a hold of the owner for weeks! I guess she's never around or something. There's another arena about 3 miles north that I got permission to use for a fee, but I don't have enough time after work on weekdays to ride that far to practice.

So this is being a challenge to get him on the pattern. I just try to work on this fundamentals as much as I can while regular riding.
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    07-25-2012, 12:03 PM
  #14
Green Broke
Oh, I have no doubt that you've been doing what you need to. I trust you..

I think it does have a good bit to do with the fact that you aren't used to a bendy horse..I am, so I look for that..I just like to see their whole body arch around the barrel, even at a walk and trot.. That arch just lets them follow through smoothly instead of having to fling their butt out in the turn..

If he's really good about bending his neck already he should be able to pick up arching smoothly pretty easily..and you're spot on when you say you are trying to use your hands less and your legs more. Very good..

Laugh..Again, I'm just rambling and telling you what I see..I don't want you to think I'm picking it all apart or saying that I don't think you know what you're doing, I know you do..I really like Red though, he looks like he has buckets of potential and heart this early on.
     
    07-25-2012, 12:32 PM
  #15
Green Broke
But DrumRunner, I post my videos on here so I CAN get picked apart. Isn't that the point? Haha

And he is SO good about listening to my legs. I need to capitalize on that. The last time I rode to the arena 3 miles away, they had some road cones with PVC pipe in them in the arena from their mounted shooting practice. I set them up in the pole pattern (just eyeballin' 21 feet) and I went through it a few times and then I quit because he trotting through it beautifully! Listening completely to my legs the whole time. All I did was held him with my hands and moved him with my legs. I'm so excited to get him going on that too. My last horse was NOT a very good pole horse, so I'm excited to maybe have a good one!

Although I do wish he'd pay attention to my legs more when I trying to cue him for leads. He is very left lead dominant. I usually have to ask 3 or 4 times before he gets that right lead on the straightaway, and its even harder when I'm doing circles with him (can't figure that one out .... he just counter canters like crazy).

But to my surprise, when I let him take a few FAST laps around the arena (the night I video'ed) for fun, when I went to slow him down, he was on his right lead ..... even when we were going around the arena to the left. Stinker..... Oh but he quite enjoyed the fast laps!

So can you give me a play-by-play for how you cue your bendy horse around a turn? What your doing with your eyes, legs, body, hands, etc. Maybe I can apply some of it.

This was a right lap, but he's always like "YES mom!" when I say okay, go faster.







     
    07-25-2012, 12:48 PM
  #16
Green Broke
Lol It's different to pick and pick at someone who I know knows what she's doing.. I'm just restating what you already know lol..

He's cute little chunk..I luurve poles. If he gets quick through them you'll become addicted.

He'll pick up the leg work in no time especially if he's good with just regular leg pressures, Nikki was weird with her leads when I first got her, she was just lazy with it and I'd have to get after her but she'd pick up the right lead and stay with it. BUT, she would always pick up the right leads when running barrels..It was just a habit created by her previous owner letting her pick up whatever lead when loping circles or just busy work.
     
    07-25-2012, 01:26 PM
  #17
Green Broke
Yes, but it is good to be reminded of what you already know. Otherwise you forget!!

Chunk indeed. I keep thinking that he is still fat and chubby (was when I bought him!), but I think he is a good weight right now. I'm just not used to seeing all that chunk!! Beau was not chunky at all. He was more like a leggy giraffe. Although he's getting a little pudgy now, by being the spoiled pasture buddy. It's okay. He's retired now. He can be fat and happy!
     
    07-25-2012, 01:29 PM
  #18
Weanling
IMPO He needs to lose weight and gain muscle tone.

And another IMO he needs to learn how to use his hocks off the pattern.

Square exercises are great for straightening out a noodly horse.....all leg no rein

He's so kyoooooot.
     
    07-25-2012, 01:46 PM
  #19
Green Broke
Yes, he certainly can still tone up. But he is looking real good compared to what he started at!! Slowly but surely....

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Originally Posted by 1RedHorse    
and another IMO he needs to learn how to use his hocks off the pattern.
I honestly think it's my fault. He can use his butt. I've seen it! I just have to learn how to get him there.


Square exercises are a great idea. I'll add that to the list.

In general, he needs work on his neck reining too. He's much improved from when I got him, but he can do better. The times he struggles with is when he is excited or wants to go faster and that head goes up. Then he basically doesn't even pay attention to a neck rein. We've been working on alot of slow, slow, slow and control, control, control on our normal trail rides. And again, he's so much better than when I first got him, but we can still get better.

He just wasn't ridden much at all before I got him. And I think he was allowed to kind of do whatever he wanted too. But he's coming around!
     
    07-25-2012, 01:56 PM
  #20
Weanling
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Originally Posted by beau159    
Yes, he certainly can still tone up. But he is looking real good compared to what he started at!! Slowly but surely....



I honestly think it's my fault. He can use his butt. I've seen it! I just have to learn how to get him there.


Square exercises are a great idea. I'll add that to the list.

In general, he needs work on his neck reining too. He's much improved from when I got him, but he can do better. The times he struggles with is when he is excited or wants to go faster and that head goes up. Then he basically doesn't even pay attention to a neck rein. We've been working on alot of slow, slow, slow and control, control, control on our normal trail rides. And again, he's so much better than when I first got him, but we can still get better.

He just wasn't ridden much at all before I got him. And I think he was allowed to kind of do whatever he wanted too. But he's coming around!
Before I go any further...I don't want you to think Im trying to "toot my own horn" or anything...Im just trying to share what I've learned has helped bendy horses and help horse rock back on their hocks to finish a turn. I don't think everyone should pattern the way I do...nor do I think others are wrong if they do it differently. With that said.....

This is what I did with my 3 year old off the pattern...ALOT. At a walk...trot...lope.

And this is his 1st day of pattern work. Notice how he finishes his barrels

I barely have to touch his face. He wanted to bow out at the 1st barrel....but he straightened out with my outside leg.

Im a visual learner so that's why I figured itd be better to post these videos instead of type up a small novel. The kind of slow work in he first video might help your boy complete his turns.
     

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