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    07-25-2012, 01:25 PM
  #21
Green Broke
Question - Hope, I've seen a ton of people do this.. Why after the third barrel do you go off to the side? I've worked my horses this way a few times just to finish their turn better because Nikki will drift off of the third barrel. When I go practice and go off to the side Nikki will try to do it in the actual run and I'll have to straighten her out.. I haven't tried it with Lark but then again I haven't been doing much barrel work with her in the past two months with my current situation..
     
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    07-25-2012, 01:27 PM
  #22
Weanling
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Originally Posted by DrumRunner    
Question - Hope, I've seen a ton of people do this.. Why after the third barrel do you go off to the side? I've worked my horses this way a few times just to finish their turn better because Nikki will drift off of the third barrel. When I go practice and go off to the side Nikki will try to do it in the actual run and I'll have to straighten her out.. I haven't tried it with Lark but then again I haven't been doing much barrel work with her in the past two months with my current situation..
BC he's green :)

I do it at the 2nd barrel as well...just to re enforce finishing that turn.

Now on finished horses....sometime I will sometimes I wont. Keep em guessing LOL
     
    07-25-2012, 01:27 PM
  #23
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by beau159    
Yes, but it is good to be reminded of what you already know. Otherwise you forget!!
Definitely true.. I'm even taking Nikki and Lark to a trainer for a refresher, myself included, when I move back to Georgia next month..Just to Ride with Herb a few days both his horses and mine to check myself while he yells at me..

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Originally Posted by 1RedHorse    
BC he's green :)

I do it at the 2nd barrel as well...just to re enforce finishing that turn.
Gotcha.. I was hoping it would work with Nikki because of that God awful turning habit on the third but it just doesn't work and living in SC has definitely set me back..Season starts in September and I have to get the girls back in shape and figure that turn out.
     
    07-25-2012, 02:11 PM
  #24
Green Broke
Thanks for the videos 1RedH. Can I also get a description of what exactly you are doing with your body? Are you mostly just using your calf of your outside leg when you do that? And I see that your turning your hips/body as well?

The trouble I have with Red is that is just wants to go-go-go-go-go. Half of the time when I try to do a simple exercise that like at the walk or trot, I've got to be holding him back because he wants to do it faster. As I said, he has made some improvement with regular riding since I got him, but I'm still holding him back alot. So I'm battling that as the same time.

Any advice/experience with a horse like that? I don't want him to "lose" his GO (because I will want that later, haha) but it'd be nice to travel along most of the time on a loose rein. Beau would always walk along like he was a western pleasure horse, until I gave him the word. I used a have a horse named Scooter for a year when I was a senior in high school when Beau was hurt. He was even higher-energy than Red. It took the whole summer before he would even stop nicely and just plain stand still after. Boy I wish I could have kept him though. He was FAST. Holy cow.

I will be taking him to exhibition at a nearby jackpot barrel race tomorrow night (provided I don't get stuck at work .... got a late patient appointment coming in I wish wasn't there, but oh well). Hopefully I can grab someone to video for me and see if we can't work on staying on the hindquarter (errr, ah, I mean ME work on using my legs).
     
    08-01-2012, 02:54 PM
  #25
Weanling
Oh he is so cute!
     
    08-02-2012, 04:45 AM
  #26
Trained
I want to hear 1Reds answer too (as I always do ) but back when I had Bailey still she was a lot like Red in the "go" department. She didn't lunge, and once you got her in the roundpen she would just run herself mad and you'd never catch her again, (She wasn't my horse and I had limited time with her so I didn't do a lot of work with that, don't judge me there..lol) and sometimes when I got on her, I could NOT hold her. Nope, there was literally no way unless I did a one-rein stop and sometimes even then she would panic.

So, what I did, was the second I got on her I took her off around the rail at an extended trot and didn't let her stop until she was huffing and puffing, then I took her to the barrel pattern, walked it slowly, and if she got antsy we would go right back off to our extended trots again. She calmed down VERY fast...

On that note, Selena (bless her barrel pony heart) will sometimes try to think she's a real NFR horse and start jigging around because she wants to play, if you will. With her the extended trots didn't work so I do counter arc circles. I make her round up, supple her face, and do a ton of random small circles. I don't have a gameplan, I just start off on a right circle with right bend, then go into the counter arc circle (Left circle with right bend) and from there I switch it up however I feel like. I could change the bend to the left or I could change the circle back to the right, or I could change my bend to the left and my circle to the right, anything really.

This is really the only video I have that serves as an example...Starting at 1:45 is me working Selena in some counter-arcs. You can see how relaxed she is there...


Don't know if that helps at all, that's just what I do to get the horse thinking. Counter arcs are probably my favorite thing to do.
     
    08-02-2012, 09:47 AM
  #27
Green Broke
Sorrelhorse: Can you explain too what you are doing with your hands and legs during a counter-arc? I am assuming you just hold your hands steady to keep her headset as it is and then use your legs to turn/drive her?
     
    08-02-2012, 04:06 PM
  #28
Trained
I always ask her to break at the poll during counter arcs. My hands are just gently bumping her and keeping contact, I use the outside rein to establish the counter-bend and my inside rein to soften and supple her. I use my leg on her shoulder (Just like you're doing a haunch turn, only while moving) to get her going around. If she needs the extra, I'll use the outside rein (The one establishing the bend) to help pick up her shoulder and scoot it around as an indirect, like a neck rein.

Ontop of getting the horse thinking it's also great for getting control of your horse's shoulder for the barrels too. Think about it, you get control of that shoulder, the horse will go anywhere....Also I find it particularly helpful because I can counter-arc away from barrels if I'm going to hit them

I hope that makes sense....Lol
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    08-03-2012, 05:36 PM
  #29
Trained
I love Red! He's so cute! And you look really good on him! It seems like a perfect fit.

Congrats on everything falling into place in your life! What an accomplishment!
     
    08-03-2012, 07:05 PM
  #30
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by beau159    
Sorrelhorse: Can you explain too what you are doing with your hands and legs during a counter-arc? I am assuming you just hold your hands steady to keep her headset as it is and then use your legs to turn/drive her?
I love counterbends, it is probably one of my favorite things to teach a horse.

Just thought I would add a little SH's description.(by the way SH, I love your bay mare)

If I was going to do a circle to the left with a counterbend, I would pick up the right rein straight up to tip his nose to the right and pick up the right shoulder, do not cross your hand over to the left side of the neck. The left rein guides to the left and is pulled slightly towards the hip. The right leg is applied at the girth to push the ribs over to the inside of the circle. When teaching I really exaggerate opening my left leg to give him a door to go through so he knows to still travel to the left on a circle. At first he will be confused so I will ask for 1 or 2 steps on a counterbend then release so he understands what I am asking for.

After he understands the counterbend completely and you can do what SH did in her video. Do a counterbend say on a circle to the left(he is perfectly setup for a turn to the right, shoulder lifted, ribcage out of the way for a deep reach with the inside leg(the inside leg can reach deeper if the rib is moved out), then ask for a nice turn to the right.After a circle to the right ask for a right circle with a counterbend left, then he is setup for a nice turn to the left.
     

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