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  • My horse is realy lazy and wont trot or canter what do i do?

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    02-11-2012, 09:52 PM
  #1
Foal
My horse won't RUN! Lazy or Disinterested?

I've been trying to train my 7 year old Welsh/QH mare for barrel racing. She is only 14.3 hands, and is super bombproof. I have been working on barrel with her for about a month, and she has shown no improvement. We walk, and trot the pattern often doing circles around the barrels. She does the pattern perfect at a walk and trot, but she doesn't set up for the turn at the canter, and she won't RUN! I've tried stopping her before the turn, backing, and then continuing, but she still won't set up. Suggestions on that would be helpful. But my main problem is her speed. She just does a slow lope around the barrels. Head down. Dragging her feet. When I use the whip or spurs she only pins her ears and won't speed up. I KNOW she can run, because when I race my friends she blows them away! She's only 14 hands, and she beats my friends thoroughbred mix, and ties with my 3D barrel racer every time. When we jump I always have to keep her head or she'll blow through the jumping patter, because she gets so frisky. I don't know if she's being lazy on the barrels, if she isn't interested in them, or if I just need to do more slow work. It's frustrating to see my friends horse picking up in all of the slow work and beginning to make good times, and my mare continues to take her time through the pattern. If anyone could please help that would be so great! Thanks!
     
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    02-11-2012, 09:59 PM
  #2
Trained
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Originally Posted by Ally56    
I've been trying to train my 7 year old Welsh/QH mare for barrel racing. She is only 14.3 hands, and is super bombproof. I have been working on barrel with her for about a month, and she has shown no improvement. - Are you sure you are training her correctly? You could probably benefit from a trainer to help you if you have that option.

We walk, and trot the pattern often doing circles around the barrels. She does the pattern perfect at a walk and trot, but she doesn't set up for the turn at the canter, and she won't RUN! Why do you want her to run fi she won't even set up at the canter? You need to get everything down at the slow flawlessly, making sure you get her trained in the proper form and way to turn. This I can explain in more detail if you would like.

I've tried stopping her before the turn, backing, and then continuing, but she still won't set up. - Why are you doing this exactly? Stopping and backing up should be used to reinforce rate, not "setting up" her position.

Suggestions on that would be helpful. But my main problem is her speed. She just does a slow lope around the barrels. Head down. Dragging her feet. When I use the whip or spurs she only pins her ears and won't speed up. Okay, first off, letting her go slow around the barrel turn is fine. You should only try to speed up on the stretches. Also, address why she is pinning her ears. It sounds like a pain issue. Perhaps turning is painful to her.

I KNOW she can run, because when I race my friends she blows them away! She's only 14 hands, and she beats my friends thoroughbred mix, and ties with my 3D barrel racer every time. When we jump I always have to keep her head or she'll blow through the jumping patter, because she gets so frisky. Can you define "frisky", please? It could be another pain symptom.

I don't know if she's being lazy on the barrels, if she isn't interested in them, or if I just need to do more slow work. It definitely sounds like you need to do more slow work. Not every horse learns at the same pace and it is very important to be sure you are doing it correctly too.

It's frustrating to see my friends horse picking up in all of the slow work and beginning to make good times, and my mare continues to take her time through the pattern. If anyone could please help that would be so great! Thanks!
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    02-11-2012, 10:11 PM
  #3
Green Broke
One thing that I have to say is, do not compare your mare to your friends. Every horse will learn at a different rate and not all step up the same way. Sounds like you don't need to be adding speed yet but that you need to focus on getting her to set up better and more attentive to you.
Is this the same mare who keeps knocking??
     
    02-11-2012, 10:13 PM
  #4
Trained
I posted on your other thread but I'm going to reinforce what I said there, here.

WHY ARE YOU PUSHING HER!?! Why are you spurring and whipping her into a speed that she doesn't need to be at? She's only had 1 month of training on barrels. You shouldn't even think about cantering the pattern until she knows where she's going and what she's supposed to do when she is looking at a pattern.

It takes years to get a well seasoned barrel horse. If you don't slow down your training, you are going to ruin her.
     
    02-11-2012, 10:24 PM
  #5
Foal
Yeah, I can answer all all of those questions. I used to have a trainer, but we stopped using her, as she only taught me to stop before the barrel, back, and continue like I said. It didn't help me a bit, so we stopped using her. No, I don't know if I'm training her right, that's why I'm asking on here. Also, when I say "around the barrels" I mean the barrel pattern in general, I'm not trying to make her gallop the whole pattern. Usually I run her to the first barrel, trot her around it, then push her into a canter out if, trot around the next barrel, and continue that way. I was hoping that would encourage her to slow up at the turn, then explode out of it, but she's not picking up on that idea too quickly. Should I not be doing this? And when she gets frisky jumping she tosses her head and hops sometimes. Ears forward the whole time, even prancing a bit. She basically starts to act like she does in the field when she plays with her buddies. Everyone who has ever watched her jump, including 3 different instructors, have said that she looks like she's really having a good time. I hope this info helped.
     
    02-11-2012, 10:24 PM
  #6
Foal
Yes, she is the one that knocks barrels, I just didn't want to type that much in one post.
     
    02-11-2012, 10:28 PM
  #7
Green Broke
I stand by the not pushing her . If you have only been training her a month take her back to a walk/ trot and really work on getting her lifting her shoulders, bending and being correctly positioned BEFORE you ask her for any sort of speed. Breaking her down is fine but make sure you are doing it correctly non of us can really tell if you are as we aren't watching you ride. Find another trainer and I think that that trainer would have helped you more if you expressed your worries to her, heck any training would be good right now for you and this mare.
However some horses just truly do not like barrels or running that is something only you can really establish as you know her better than any of us.
     
    02-11-2012, 10:30 PM
  #8
Foal
I said "When I use the spurs or whip on her..." I never said I push her hard and spur and whip her the whole time. I've been trying different methods trying to see what works for her (as every horse is different) and that is just one I tried. It did not work, so I stopped. I rarely use the whip. I only use whips for lunging and getting the horse in the trailer, and I would NEVER hit my horse with the whip unless it was a life or death situation for me. (ex. They are charging or kicking) And I am not trying to push her on turns, only on straight aways and on the way back.
     
    02-11-2012, 10:31 PM
  #9
Trained
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Originally Posted by Ally56    
Yeah, I can answer all all of those questions. I used to have a trainer, but we stopped using her, as she only taught me to stop before the barrel, back, and continue like I said. It didn't help me a bit, so we stopped using her. How long did you do this? This is supposed to teach the horse to break down and take the turn slow. To rate down so they don't blow themselves out or god forbid slip and fall.

No, I don't know if I'm training her right, that's why I'm asking on here. Also, when I say "around the barrels" I mean the barrel pattern in general, I'm not trying to make her gallop the whole pattern. The internet is only going to do so much for you. You need a trainer. You also should not be cantering her yet.

Usually I run her to the first barrel, trot her around it, then push her into a canter out if, trot around the next barrel, and continue that way. I do not think this is going to be effective for you. I think you need to trot her up, stop, back, then walk around there keeping her framed up with her shoulde rup and inside leg up under her.

I was hoping that would encourage her to slow up at the turn, then explode out of it, but she's not picking up on that idea too quickly. Should I not be doing this? The "exploding out of it" per se is not what you are going for. You can teach her to drive off her hocks later, after she learns what rate and turn mean. Just relax and let her pick this up on her own.

And when she gets frisky jumping she tosses her head and hops sometimes. Ears forward the whole time, even prancing a bit. She basically starts to act like she does in the field when she plays with her buddies. Everyone who has ever watched her jump, including 3 different instructors, have said that she looks like she's really having a good time. I hope this info helped. Yet she pins her ears on the barrel pattern? This leads me to believe you are doing something to cause this or the barrel saddle does not fit correctly. What tack do you ride her in? Pictures?

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    02-11-2012, 10:31 PM
  #10
Green Broke
Whether straights or turns keep her slower don't ask for speed yet period she is not ready.
     

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