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My Hot Tamale Locomotive on the pattern

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    06-24-2013, 04:42 AM
I've been stalking your youtube channel and I definitely am noticing a pattern of not enough bend on the barrel pattern, not just on Squiggy but on your other horses as well. I hope you don't think I'm being too nitpicky on you, but I think it would help you out to check out the horses I filmed from my own barn. This is the lesson I watch all the time, and recently have gotten the ability to ride in that has helped me a lot. It shows a lot of the manipulation and bend in most of these horses, and there's a good amount of two very serious girls who pro rodeo and then two who are just out there to play.

You can see here exactly what I mean by the inside leg too...I hope this can explain it better than I did, particularly at 1:45 with the grey mare.

And then a private lesson with Cindy and her palomino gelding. I should make a note they found an issue with this horse's bridle after the lesson and that is why you can see bracing and resistance with him in this video, but there's a couple places where you can get the point.

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    06-24-2013, 10:50 AM
Agree with the others.

But I would also add to forget about the barrels right now. Honestly. Just simply work on circles, circles, circles, and more circles (*without a barrel around*). Making sure she gives her nose and give to the bit because she is fighting you right now (throwing her nose and not giving). Making sure she keeps her hind end down and doesn't swing it around. I had to work on the exact same thing with Red (and still continually do). He has a tendency to swing his butt around because he is front end heavy, and I've gotta watch him on it.

Not saying you need to quit barrels or anything, but maybe just put them away for a week or two and just simply work on circles with her. Get her confidence up on doing the circles correctly with little "nagging" from you. Do big circles and small circles, and spirals, and everything else you can think of. With correct practice, she should start to "self hold" herself in position. It's a nice thing I use to fall back on with Red too when he gets himself out of position. I just remind him "hey! You are supposed to have your body here please."

Now I am sure we've discussed this before and I just can't remember .... you have had Squiggy's teeth checked, right?

I'll have to maybe get a new video up on Red. I'll show you what I do to keep him soft/supple and responding to his bit, since him and Squiggy seem to be very similar in many ways. Now I did have some help because I took him to a reining trainer back in April, but I am so glad I did take him because it made a world of difference with his softness in the bridle and his circles too.

Squiggy is coming along, she really is!! But I think we need to address the issue of her resistance to the bit. There should be zero head/nose throwing. If you can get her softer I nthe bridle, he headset will automatically lower too. German martingales are a fantastic tool to use, but you don't want to have to rely on one.
    06-24-2013, 03:56 PM
Havent you run squiggy before at a race?

IMO its more rider then horse.
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    06-24-2013, 04:09 PM
Green Broke
The most I've done with her is loping and trotting the pattern at a jackpot last year, and let her open up a bit on the way home. That was it.
    06-28-2013, 02:38 PM
Green Broke
So. Predicament.
I hopped on bareback with a rope halter to go for a walk and on the way back walked my barrel pattern. She did tons better than fully tacked up. Her shoulder was up and she would bend, I was even able to counter bend her without her jacking around first.

Does that mean I should try a little s hack? And saddle fit? Wth? Her sweat marks are all good, but wth?
    06-28-2013, 07:08 PM
Can we see pictures of her for saddle fit purposes, untacked and with no pad? Also, maybe try the hack. Are her teeth done? (You know, all the generic questions, lol)

Sometimes sweat marks are even but still a bad fit.
    06-28-2013, 07:17 PM
Green Broke
These are from last year

I havent had her teeth done, no one around here does such things. I could look up in there for any red flags. And I recently had her looked over by a "chiro"
    06-28-2013, 07:48 PM
Originally Posted by QHriderKE    

I havent had her teeth done, no one around here does such things. I could look up in there for any red flags. And I recently had her looked over by a "chiro"
I am not a saddle fit expert by any means, but it seems to look okay to me.

Her teeth could very well be the issue as to why she doesn't give to the bit nicely and/or throws her nose. You won't be able to tell by "looking up there" because you really can't look up there unless you've got the mouth speculum on them. Especially if she's got a hook in the way back or something like that.

No one in your area does teeth?
    06-28-2013, 07:52 PM
Green Broke
I haven't heard of anyone doing teeth in my area. Unless I look an hour away or so :/ my area sucks for horse services. We don't even have a farrier around here - we do our own hoof care unless something needs shoes.
    06-28-2013, 08:09 PM
It doesn't look terrible, or enough to cause issues, but in the first picture it looks slightly narrow to me, and the way it pops up in the back a little might be the cause of it. Does it feel tight at all when you put your hand under it?

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