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post #1 of 9 Old 04-14-2012, 03:18 PM Thread Starter
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Need help with a bit issue

So I am having an issue with a horse that I am training on barrels. This horse is trained to the T. He can back up, sidepass, spin, do roll backs, and all that fun stuff pretty much all with legs and very very little rein pressure. The thing is when I get him going around the barrels he really likes to go and he really gets into it. He has always seemed to have a very soft mouth and does not like you on the reins whatsoever. So when he starts going around the barrels naturally I want to keep some pressure on the reins to keep him slow and steady. Well I had put a little "s" hack on him because I could tell he didnt like pressure in his mouth and I thought this would work a bit better. He hated the hack, I mean everytime I would apply pressure to the hack he would put his head down between his legs and shake it hard from side to side. He also did not want to stop very well or flex with the hack. So last night I decided to put on the Jr. Cowhorse bit I had bought for a diffrent horse. It is the three piece dog bone mouthpiece with the copper roller. I immediately saw a difference in him. When I applied pressure he did not shake his head or put his head down. BUT he did not seem to respond to this bit at all! He wasnt fighting the bit he just seemed to ignore it. It would take several tries for me to communicate my que that I was asking through the bit. It was almost as though this bit was not enough for him. This confuses me since he seems to have a very soft mouth. I am at a loss as to what else I can try. I have gone through about 4 or 5 different bits on this horse and don't know what to try next. Please help!
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post #2 of 9 Old 04-14-2012, 06:45 PM
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What bit did you use in him to do all of the spins and rollbacks and such? I mean... if you can get him to do all of that just with your legs, shouldn't you be able to work barrels with 'just your legs'?

Now, I know it would work like that in a perfect world, buuut it isn't a perfect world.

Have you tried a 3 piece snaffle with the roller? There's also a Myler snaffle with a small small port that I want.

What have you tried, and how did it work?

EDT: Have you had his teeth checked?

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What bit did you use in him to do all of the spins and rollbacks and such? I mean... if you can get him to do all of that just with your legs, shouldn't you be able to work barrels with 'just your legs'?

Now, I know it would work like that in a perfect world, buuut it isn't a perfect world.

Have you tried a 3 piece snaffle with the roller? There's also a Myler snaffle with a small small port that I want.

What have you tried, and how did it work?

EDT: Have you had his teeth checked?
The bit the people we got him from was riding him in a tomb thumb and I refuse to use that bit so I switched him to just a broken snaffle and he did ok but was still touchy so I switched him to the hack. I can pretty much do the barrels with my legs but he still needs some direction as he still has some to learn on the barrels. What I have tried and how it worked was in the original post. I'm not sure if its one of those things where he doesn't need hardly anything when we are just pleasure riding but he needs a bit more when doing barrels.
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And yes his teeth have been checked and they are fine.
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post #5 of 9 Old 04-14-2012, 08:53 PM
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Hmmmm.

I guess if he just needs something a bit more for barrels, more of a gag couldn't hurt. It would help you lift his shoulder and such if needed.


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"Even though I’m advancing the horse in the bitting process, I still want the curb bit to have “loose” shanks. The loose shanks make it much easier to take a horse’s head to the side and get lateral flexion."
Horse Training Tips – Bitting Info this web page might help you choose.

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Iagree with QH, I would try a few different gags, they can be light but do have that little bit of extra pressure.. Don't be afraid to ask to borrow and try a ton of different bits.

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I have done some reading on bits the past few days after I read your post. This is what I found out from reading pro trainer articles talking to well known trainers in my area and just from my knowledge. They say its not the bit the horse needs to first learn his new skill with the snaffle and if he shows signs of irritation its probably medical or the horses unwillingness. Ect. Training. Bits are about sensitivity and the snaffle is the mildest bit out there they say to train him with this one and then move to a twisted wire bit right before you work him then switch back to the snaffle and run barrels or whatever it is his job is. If you think the horse has an unexceptionably hard mouth I then was told they go to gags or hacks. Use that bit on the horse and then swap back to the bit he originality used to ride with AFTER he is trained to do so in the gag or hack they said to use a gag or hack that still gives a little that way it has the feel of the snaffle.

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i have done some reading on bits the past few days after I read your post. This is what I found out from reading pro trainer articles talking to well known trainers in my area and just from my knowledge. They say its not the bit the horse needs to first learn his new skill with the snaffle and if he shows signs of irritation its probably medical or the horses unwillingness. Ect. Training. Bits are about sensitivity and the snaffle is the mildest bit out there they say to train him with this one and then move to a twisted wire bit right before you work him then switch back to the snaffle and run barrels or whatever it is his job is. If you think the horse has an unexceptionably hard mouth I then was told they go to gags or hacks. Use that bit on the horse and then swap back to the bit he originality used to ride with AFTER he is trained to do so in the gag or hack they said to use a gag or hack that still gives a little that way it has the feel of the snaffle.
I forgot to add some important things:

They also said that a horse will need time getting used to the new bit before he will do well in it. To try a bit out for a week or two before giving up.

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