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        08-27-2013, 05:10 PM
      #11
    Foal
    He was not broke by me at all and has never had a stop. But im not saying he doesnt have one at all he does it just takes him a while. Just saying. Yes I am very young. And I have looked around for barrels racing trainers and I guess I don't have to many or have not yet found one with in my area that are reliable. I have been barrel racing him for 3 years the first two were pretty much walk trot and training rate when I sit deep in my saddle. Ill keep looking for trainers but not sure if ill find a good one
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        08-27-2013, 05:58 PM
      #12
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BarrelRacer23    
    Go back to the very basics and find a creditable trainer to help you. He's not looking for the barrels, he's not setting up to turn, your cheating him on every barrel by pulling his head out, and there's no reason to be kicking like that. A barrel horse should know his job, be looking for the barrels, not need pulled around the barrel they should be able to turn on their own, be taught to set up for a turn before cantering and be making perfect turns before being asked to run.
    Work on collection, you want complete control over his body. Walk the pattern and concentrate on having a pocket, lifting his shoulder up, tipping his nose towards the barrels and pushing his hip out, then coming off the barrel close headed straight for the next barrel until you move into your pocket. Do the same at a trot, and stop right where your pocket starts and back up then walk correctly around the barrel. Get him trotting the whole pattern correctly then lope, start by making a right circle to be on the correct lead and lope to your pocket and stop back up then trot correctly around each barrel. Do that until he's doing it correct, before trying to lope through the whole pattern again. While riding work on side passing, figure 8s, trot perfect circles keeping him collected and using his body correctly. There's plenty of good trainers who put videos up on YouTube for visual aid. You just need to slow down and not rush. Even a correct loping the pattern will be faster than wide running.
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    I went and barrel raced him yesterday he did better I have been training him differently the last to weeks might have helped you tell me. Im uploading it right now so it will take about 20 minuets.
         
        08-27-2013, 06:18 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by meganstormy    
    He was not broke by me at all and has never had a stop. But im not saying he doesnt have one at all he does it just takes him a while. Just saying.
    In my opinion, a horse that does not stop instantly when I ask them is downright dangerous. No matter what you are doing. For the safety of myself, and the safety of the horse, that stop needs to be foolproof in any situation at any speed.

    It doesn't matter if you didn't "train" the horse in the beginning, because you are training him now, because you are his rider. Cherie started an excellent post on this; I suggest you read it:
    Every rider IS a trainer -- every time you interact with a horse

    Training a horse for barrels that doesn't even stop in the first place is a huge mistake. You can't control him enough to stop him; does it seem like a good idea to teach him to RUN around three barrels without a stop? No, it's not.

    If you read that barrel sticky I posted, there's quite a few posts that go into detail about what your horse should know (and what the rider should know) BEFORE you start training them for barrels. A horse that stops on command is at the top of that list.
    --stop softly and immediately from any speed
    --walk, trot, and lope on a loose rein, and relaxed
    --back up freely when asked
    --give to the bit in any direction, and break at the poll
    --neck rein and direct rein
    --be able to sidepass and two-track
    --can execute a turn on the fore, or a turn on the haunches
    --simple lead changes for sure, and helpful if knows flying lead changes
    --can perform “perfect circles” with little help from the rider
    --be able to move any part of the body (hip, ribcage, shoulders, head) at any speed at any time

    These are the things your horse should be able to do, just from good ol' training. If not, then they won't have the control you need to make a barrel run. Your horse:
    --does not stop
    --possibly doesn't travel nicely on a loose rein
    --if he doesn't stop, he might not like to back up
    --he certainly doesn't give to the bit, because you jerk on him (so he just braces against you instead)
    --he's not soft in the bridle, so direct reining won't be good. He doesn't know what your legs mean (because you kick him hard, instead of cueing him gently) so he probably doesn't neck rein well either.
    --Etc Etc Etc

    Main point --> Work on getting your horse more broke and your barrels will improve automatically. And yes, it is your responsibility to get him more broke because he is your horse and you are the one riding him.

    And again, this is why it would be so beneficial to find a trainer to help you. It doesn't even have to be a barrel trainer. Even a dressage coach, or a reining trainer, would help immensely to soften your horse and teach you how to cue him.

    Note that it is going to take MONTHS to reverse his bad habits, because it's been going on for the full 3 years you have had him. You didn't give him bad habits overnight, so it is not going to be magically fixed overnight.
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        08-27-2013, 06:27 PM
      #14
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by beau159    
    In my opinion, a horse that does not stop instantly when I ask them is downright dangerous. No matter what you are doing. For the safety of myself, and the safety of the horse, that stop needs to be foolproof in any situation at any speed.

    It doesn't matter if you didn't "train" the horse in the beginning, because you are training him now, because you are his rider. Cherie started an excellent post on this; I suggest you read it:
    Every rider IS a trainer -- every time you interact with a horse

    Training a horse for barrels that doesn't even stop in the first place is a huge mistake. You can't control him enough to stop him; does it seem like a good idea to teach him to RUN around three barrels without a stop? No, it's not.

    If you read that barrel sticky I posted, there's quite a few posts that go into detail about what your horse should know (and what the rider should know) BEFORE you start training them for barrels. A horse that stops on command is at the top of that list.
    --stop softly and immediately from any speed
    --walk, trot, and lope on a loose rein, and relaxed
    --back up freely when asked
    --give to the bit in any direction, and break at the poll
    --neck rein and direct rein
    --be able to sidepass and two-track
    --can execute a turn on the fore, or a turn on the haunches
    --simple lead changes for sure, and helpful if knows flying lead changes
    --can perform “perfect circles” with little help from the rider
    --be able to move any part of the body (hip, ribcage, shoulders, head) at any speed at any time

    These are the things your horse should be able to do, just from good ol' training. If not, then they won't have the control you need to make a barrel run. Your horse:
    --does not stop
    --possibly doesn't travel nicely on a loose rein
    --if he doesn't stop, he might not like to back up
    --he certainly doesn't give to the bit, because you jerk on him (so he just braces against you instead)
    --he's not soft in the bridle, so direct reining won't be good. He doesn't know what your legs mean (because you kick him hard, instead of cueing him gently) so he probably doesn't neck rein well either.
    --Etc Etc Etc

    Main point --> Work on getting your horse more broke and your barrels will improve automatically. And yes, it is your responsibility to get him more broke because he is your horse and you are the one riding him.

    And again, this is why it would be so beneficial to find a trainer to help you. It doesn't even have to be a barrel trainer. Even a dressage coach, or a reining trainer, would help immensely to soften your horse and teach you how to cue him.

    Note that it is going to take MONTHS to reverse his bad habits, because it's been going on for the full 3 years you have had him. You didn't give him bad habits overnight, so it is not going to be magically fixed overnight.
    here
    And he did stop on this one bc I have been doing a different training routen and he does back nicely, does neck rein good, does travel with a loose rein. (not trying to be rude) oh and sorry about the quality
         
        08-27-2013, 06:33 PM
      #15
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by meganstormy    
    Impressive Sundae barrel racing (8/26/13) - YouTube here
    And he did stop on this one bc I have been doing a different training routen and he does back nicely, does neck rein good, does travel with a loose rein. (not trying to be rude) oh and sorry about the quality
    Okay and I'm sorry but you have been kinda sounding rude (sorry didnt mean to be mean so sorry) but I am an amuture barrel racer I do admit I have no clue what to do most of the time and my dad really doens't care much to get me trainers and all so like the internet and videos are the only things I can to help me. Yes sometimes trainers come to our farm bc they are my dads friends and I ask but I guess they aren't good. I do try as hard as I can to learn new things to improve him, but I don't what you getting mad at me because this stuff is really all I honestly have until I get old enough to pay for a trainer myself, I do want to do barrels (dont tell me I shouldnt bc I have no one to teach me, Ill learn my self from own personal experience. And btw didnt want to sound mean at all in that was just getting frustrated)
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        08-27-2013, 06:45 PM
      #16
    Green Broke
    No need to apologize for saying I'm rude. I'm certainly not sugarcoating things. I'm saying what I see.

    I can understand your situation because I was in the exact same situation growing up. Trained my first barrel racing horse wrong, and until the day I had to put him down I was still always having to "watch him" to keep those old bad habits from creeping up (when I finally learned the right way to do it). My dad woulda asked me if I was crazy if I wanted to go get a trainer (would have helped me IMMENSELY though).

    Watch ALL of Dena's videos:

    Sherry only has a couple, but watch 'em

    Fallon has videos:

    And Martha:


    And that's what I can think of now off the top of my head.
         
        08-27-2013, 06:50 PM
      #17
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by beau159    
    No need to apologize for saying I'm rude. I'm certainly not sugarcoating things. I'm saying what I see.

    I can understand your situation because I was in the exact same situation growing up. Trained my first barrel racing horse wrong, and until the day I had to put him down I was still always having to "watch him" to keep those old bad habits from creeping up (when I finally learned the right way to do it). My dad woulda asked me if I was crazy if I wanted to go get a trainer (would have helped me IMMENSELY though).

    Watch ALL of Dena's videos:
    Barrel Position With Dena Kirkpatrick - YouTube

    Sherry only has a couple, but watch 'em
    Sherry Cervi Training Chappi - Vid 1 of 4 - YouTube

    Fallon has videos:
    FREE BARREL RACING TIPS WITH FALLON TAYLOR FIRST BARREL - YouTube

    And Martha:
    Martha Josey Short Training Lesson


    And that's what I can think of now off the top of my head.
    okay will do and I have watched all of fallons and marthas lol but I will watch the other ones.
         
        08-27-2013, 07:46 PM
      #18
    Yearling
    Your second video looks much better from what I can see. Except your third, finish the second barrel to where you pointed at the third barrel, and always come off the third straight or take him to the fence at a walk or trot. Enforce stopping by going around the arena or wherever you ride and stop at random by sitting back in the saddle, feet forward, pressure on the reins and a simple whoa. Back up everytime you stop, just a couple steps to enforce the stop. Do it at a walk, trot and canter until he stops as soon as you start to give those signs or day whoa. I would fix the stopping issue before anything else.
    As long as your trying your best to learn people will help. You can also try and look up clinics in or around your area, take your horse or just go watch.
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        08-27-2013, 09:14 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    If there are barrel shows in the area there has got to be barrel trainers or barns. Go to a show and ask around. You can tell how popular hunter/jumpers are in my area, most of the shows are hunter/jumper/eq. You will never see a gaited horse or driving shows here, hence I cannot find a drivng trainer anywhere.
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        09-03-2013, 09:59 AM
      #20
    Foal
    How's he doing guys?? I know not going fast but I feel like he's doing better
         

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