Ok I understand what your saying I have been teaching him with rate for about 2 months now and leg pressure for like 6 months. I''ll work on him finishing his turns. The two handed thing I normally drop it but I guess I was focused on something else and forgot to put it on the horn. :) I'll try to remember tho, I tend to get really nervous and forget everything. I do say Whoa at every barrel with him I found that really helped, I was saying it in the video also its just really hard to hear. Thank you much tho I will practice on it all!!
But those HANDS!!!! You're hanging on his mouth the whole way, and your hands are bouncing all over the place. I would say that's the biggest thing you have to correct right now, and it won't be easy (hard habit to break). I myself am guilty of "chicken arms" (elbows flap and look like a chicken, haha) and I always mentally remind myself before every single run to NOT do it.
I want you to watch this video of Sherry Cervi. Especially watch her hands when she is in-between barrels. She's still "mini pumping" her hands, but she's not hanging on Stingray's mouth. It's totally fine if your horse still needs two hands around the barrel turn (obviously Sherry only uses one hand around the barrels) but you've got to steady your hands. Your balance needs to come from your seat and legs; not the reins.
Overall, you need to push your horse DEEPER into the pocket before you start the turn. That's why he's blowing the end of the turn; he turned too soon, cut the barrel too close, and now has to bow off wide to avoid hitting it.
Look at this freeze frame on your first barrel. Your horse's shoulder isn't even to the barrel yet, but yet he's in a turning position.
Do NOT start turning him until your knee (or better yet) his hip, is AT the barrel.
I've posted this video before, but watch it again because Dena talks about NOT turning that barrel until you are far enough past it.
I watch that video over many times and I see that too! I tell my self gosh what the heck was that but yeah with him turning he kinda starts to turn first and I just go with him and set my self up for the turn with out even thinking about it. Im not sure how to train him out of that he's perfectly fine at home but when he gets to the show he does that. (but I don't run him at home only trot and walk) Also for the whoa thing he isn't exactly trained to stop with that he knows when he's suppose to he just slows down when im working him in the pasture he stops for it and at the end of the barrel pattern but not between barrels or I yell HEY.
A lot of it has to do with the rider's mentality. Make sure that YOU are not getting excited at a race and are thinking about turning too soon. Pick a point on the ground at your barrel that you want to take your horse to. Focus on that point on the ground and do NOT ask him to turn until you reach that set point.
And could you please actually type in real sentences and punctuation? It makes your "run on" responses very difficult to read.
Yes, I agree I rarely ever blame anything on my horse. I walk out of the ring and give him a pat if we did bad or good. I try not to get excited, but for some reason can't help it. Then it gets him all hyped up and its just a mess. Sorry about that, but I will try to the best of my ability.
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With this video, I have absolutely no clue what was happening. He did this every single time he ran. I also had five other riders jump on him and try him, but he still did this. I know, I set the first barrel up bad. He has never ever done this before. This was a two day show, the next day he was perfect. I used the same tack and everything. Can you see anything I was doing wrong? Cause this one has always been a mystery to me. (yes I know my stirrups are to short.) I think this was our second show of the year.
Did he come off the 1st barrel super wide, every single time? If so, the rider was just not able to pilot and get him OVER far enough to set him up for the 2nd barrel turn. Plus, you've been habitually turning him too soon, and its hard to tell in the video, but it almost looks like your body language cued him to turn before the barrel.
Note for next time, I wouldn't "punish" him by running him 5 more times that day with other people. Rather, that should have been something for you to work on and fix/figure out at home.
Because ... it is also possible that something was hurting him. Usually when a horse all of a sudden refuses to do something, they are hurting somewhere. Has he done it since?
When were his teeth done last?
Last chiro visit?
Also, in general, in that video you are lacking body control with him. He's just kinda happening to make 3 turns. Turning when he wants to, and not in very good form. You've got to get more precise about where YOU place his body and what you ask him to do and when.
First barrel: You ran him straight at the pocket. He needs to have bend in his body to properly make the turn. Here's his body coming into the turn. Too straight:
Instead, tip his nose to the inside, and use your inside leg to push his ribcage out, and use your outside leg to push his hip inward. You want to create bend from his nose to his tail, like this:
And as you already know, ask him to turn one stride later (you turned too soon).
Also, where are you looking when you make a barrel turn? On the first barrel in that video, it looks like you are looking directly at the barrel. That's a no-no. Your horse goes where your body looks. Do you want him to run on top of the barrel? Nope! So do not look at the barrel. Pick "axis points" on the ground around the barrel where you want him to travel. And then get his feet there.
Set up some cones at home to help you with this. Measure 3 feet from the barrel all the way around and draw a line on the ground there. Place cones on the line to make it more visible. Then try to keep him perfectly equal in the turn all the way around. This will place his body approximately 4 feet from the barrel, all the way around for the turn. Yes, every horse will have his own turning style. But the 4-feet-method will give you a starting point to work from. Some horses do better with this perfect circle all the way around. Some do better with an off-set circle. Some do better with an oval shape. Some do better with a rollback style. Time will tell on their particular style.
So on your third barrel. You aimed too wide for your pocket. And then you turned too soon. Both of these things cause him to come out wide. And you are learning inward. Do not lean!
So this is my rough drawing in paint. (Trying to portray a perfect pattern.) You can allow yourself a little bit of arch on your approach to the first barrel. The arrow I drew is what you should be looking at when you head for your first barrel. That is your first axis point. Then stay a perfect 4 feet from it all the way around. FINISH the turn completely before heading on a perfectly straight line to your 2nd barrel, and finish the turn completely before even looking to your next barrel.
Same thing at the 2nd barrel. Look for your first axis point and head straight for it. Stay a perfect 4 feet from the barrel all the way around. FINISH the turn, and head straight for your next axis point on the 3rd barrel.
So work AWAY from the barrel pattern on getting total body control on him. Getting good bend and being able to tweak his body position at a moment's notice. You want 100% control so that if you accidentally turn him too soon (riders make errors ... we're not perfect) you can use your inside leg to push him away from the barrel in the middle of the turn, so that you can fix your turn while you are doing it.
His teeth are done and no we don't (or my dad won't bring them to the ciro) bring them there. But my sister normally runs him and so I let her and he did the same thing and no for them her perfectly came off the first barrel and yes I did set that first Barrel up bad