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  • Can i use a tripping collar for barrels

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    05-19-2013, 09:48 PM
  #1
Yearling
new to barrels. two questions.

Okay I want to start barrel racing in addition to English pleasure. Not on the same horse though. Ever since I was little I wanted to do barrels, but the horse I had was...um...slow. Very slow. Like he tried with all his 14.1 hand heart and he was slow lol. I ended up selling him and have been riding English for the past nearly 4 years. I have not ridden western for 4 years. My mom has a paint gelding I want to try to run barrels on. I have been riding for 10 years and have many people who can help me including trainers. Barrel racing is big around here. Any ways, this gelding is a big 15.2 hand stout paint. He is built like a truck. He is 8 years old. He can be fast when he wants but is hard to get moving because he is lazy. But he is out of shape and not ridden much. So I am pretty sure the laziness will go away haha. My first question is what do you think of him as a barrel horse? Here are some pictures. Sorry they are not very great. It is really all I have at the moment. I will get some more tomorrow.
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2nd question is how do I keep the saddle from sliding back? I have tried tightening the breast collar but it doesn't help and I am afraid to tighten it anymore because I don't want it to dig into him. Especially since it is leather. I am using my brothers huge saddle right now because I am waiting for my new one to come in. Hopefully it will be better. But is there a certain kind of pad to keep it from going back or something?
Bonus question: Anything I can do to teach him to move into a canter without having to ask 10 million times? I would like him to canter when I ask not just trot faster. Even on a lunge line. I have never had a horse that would not move into a canter.
     
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    05-19-2013, 10:17 PM
  #2
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First question-- but first- the 14 handers actually are real good barrel ponies- I've ridden many that were fast including a 14.3 paso fino pony- they can get down with the get down, lol. They really turn around the barrels the best --my opinion.

You're right he's built like a mack truck! (The bay tobi) he stands wide- short backed- and has nice legs and feet- like his neck in proportion with his body too. Lazy horses usually don't make great barrel horses but I think youll have fun at local shows when he's conditioned.


Second question--You can get a neoprene saddle pad- have a good girth and yes- a chest collar. What type of chest collar are you usin? He looks like hed take a full quarter horse barred saddle- maybe just too big for him- what kinda saddle are you using?



Third question-- practice practice practice and more practice-- then a little more practice, lol.
When he wont go into a lope there could be a number of reasons.. if he's just bein lazy id just keep the 'pressure' on him till he lopes. Keep practicing untill he gets that you want a lope out of him not a fast trot.
     
    05-19-2013, 11:18 PM
  #3
Yearling
Yeah and that was winter and he had injured himself (we couldn't figure out how he did it he did something to his back foot. We were thinking abcess but nothing ever popped up.) and lost muscling. Now he's even BIGGER than in those photos. He is a huge baby lol. Yeah I thought maybe he would get "unlazy" if he were in shape but I don't know he really is an easy going boy.
The saddle I have been using is full qh bars. The breast collar is a thick wide leather one. It attaches to the thing that holds the cinch (don't know what its called) but I like breast collars that attach to d rings. But this stupid sorry saddle of my brothers has NO d rings :(.

That horse I had that was 14.1 hands could turn on a dime. My mom rode him once and he turned sharp and she wasn't ready. He went right but she kept going left. Lol. Broke her wrist but she's fine. But when he ran his little heart out, he just was slow. Very slow. I don't know what it was. He was a cute little proud cut thing. Acted like a stallion most of the time. Most stubborn horse. But bombproof and loved cows. Don't have him anymore though I sold him a couple of years ago.

Now if bandit (the paint) does not work, I may have a better option. My moms other horse. He is 14.3 hands. Jet black. And FAST. He is pretty stubborn. But he will take off when asked. He Is buddy sour though. I don't know if that would make things harder.

Here is a picture of bandit I took this morning actually. I forgot about it lol
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And a picture of my new saddle. It comes with 2 pads. Purple and pink. And a matching breast collar
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    05-20-2013, 12:07 AM
  #4
Banned
Wow- he's a big ol boy! I like this guy. With the proper training I feel like he could really shred the pattern-- Whatd the vet say about his foot? Im sure he would be more willin to go if he was tuned up-- a barrel horse don't gotta be a nutjob to be good at barrelracing. I've seen horses win races that walked calmly into the arena- that's a training thing.

A 'tripping collar'? I do believe theyre supposed to be rigged up that way.. that's also the way id rig up the 'original' type chest collars too.. Are you wantin a pullin collar type chest collar? Kinda looks like a 'U' and attaches to the Dees on the forks (pommel) of the saddle.


Not every horse has flat run speed-- I like the smaller ones because of what you just described, lol. Love me a quick little cowy horse!

Pictures of the black one- please? being buddy spoild might be a problem since hell have to run the pattern alone, lol. You could always break that habit though.

You musta been usin a rope saddle? A barrel saddle would definitely do some good, lol.
     
    05-20-2013, 01:25 AM
  #5
Yearling
Yeah he's super calm. The type that falls asleep during a parade lol. His foots fine now. That was during the winter. It's all clear lol. Yeah the breast collars kind of a you shape. I don't like it. I like the v shaped ones I don't know why. They seem to keep it up better.
I'll take pics of the black gelding in the morning and post them. I don't know how to post them from my iPhone. He is really quick. I'm sure I could haul him alone so he has no buddies lol.
Yes I was using my brothers roping saddle. I don't like it but its all I have until my barrel saddle comes in.
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    05-20-2013, 02:15 AM
  #6
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Aww- sounds like a good horse.

Im definitely a fan of the trippin collar type chest collars- the thicker one with the wave effect, lol.

Cool- you said he's faster? Has he been shown the pattern yet?
I suppose you could just take him by himself if he's ok with that.. have you hauled him by himself before?

Must be one huge saddle if it don't fit that big ol boy- or he's so fast he runs out from under it, lol.
     
    05-20-2013, 08:42 AM
  #7
Yearling
He's very good. Doesn't put up a fight or anything. If he doesn't want to turn the way you want him to, he will kind of drift the other way, but you turn him back and he's like "okay". Lol.
Yeah it's a wavy breast collar. How tight is it okay to make those things?
The black horse is a butthead sometimes lol. I think he would be okay by himself. My mom has walked and trotted him around the barrels before but he hasnt been trained on any of the details. She was just having fun.
Well the saddle weighs a Ton and all we really have are felt pads. It's full qh bars and slides back while just trotting. And using a felt girth
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    05-20-2013, 09:56 AM
  #8
Yearling
Okay heres some of buddy
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    05-20-2013, 11:06 AM
  #9
Green Broke
Welcome to barrel racing. It'sdefinitely an addicting sport.

First, I would encourage you to check out the "newbie" thread we started for people just getting into barrel racing. I suggest you read the whole thing.
Barrel Racing Exercises and Drills.

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Originally Posted by hisangelonly    
Okay I want to start barrel racing in addition to English pleasure. Not on the same horse though. Ever since I was little I wanted to do barrels, but the horse I had was...um...slow. Very slow. Like he tried with all his 14.1 hand heart and he was slow lol. I ended up selling him and have been riding English for the past nearly 4 years.
"Slow" barrel horses can be just as valuable as the rodeo winners. When you are just learning barrels, you won't be able to go mach 9 right off the start. Same way you wouldn't go jump 4 foot fences on an English jumper, before first mastering 2 foot jumps. Ladder horses in barrel racing are important for learning too.

Anyway, that's just my little "plug" for the slow barrel horses because they are fantastic for someone just learning and just starting out.


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I have not ridden western for 4 years. My mom has a paint gelding I want to try to run barrels on. I have been riding for 10 years and have many people who can help me including trainers. Barrel racing is big around here.
Eliciting the help of a barrel trainer is key. Sure, we can give you advice on the internet. You can watch training videos from purchased DVDs or on YouTube, but it just cannot beat a real live person helping you with your horse. I would definitely get some lessons set up.

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Originally Posted by hisangelonly    
Any ways, this gelding is a big 15.2 hand stout paint. He is built like a truck. He is 8 years old. He can be fast when he wants but is hard to get moving because he is lazy. But he is out of shape and not ridden much. So I am pretty sure the laziness will go away haha. My first question is what do you think of him as a barrel horse? Here are some pictures. Sorry they are not very great. It is really all I have at the moment. I will get some more tomorrow.
He looks to be built a lot like my horse Red. One thing therefore to keep in the back of your mind is that you horse may have trouble moving his shoulders freely because he is built a little bit "front heavy". I've not seen him move so it may or may not be the case, but it's something I always keep in mind with my horse too, because he is also thick, but front heavy.

Yes, I would suspect he doesn't want to work too hard because he is out of shape. I wouldn't want to work either if I wasn't in shape. So get him conditioned BEFORE you start working on the barrels with him. Expect at least a good month before he's in any sort of shape. Make sure to do lots of circle work to get "those muscles" into shape as well.

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Originally Posted by hisangelonly    
2nd question is how do I keep the saddle from sliding back? I have tried tightening the breast collar but it doesn't help and I am afraid to tighten it anymore because I don't want it to dig into him. Especially since it is leather. I am using my brothers huge saddle right now because I am waiting for my new one to come in. Hopefully it will be better. But is there a certain kind of pad to keep it from going back or something?
If your saddle slides back, then it does not fit properly. Period. No saddle pad will make it "stay" and you certainly don't want to rely on a breast collar for an ill-fitting saddle.

Hopefully your new one fits better.

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Originally Posted by hisangelonly    
Bonus question: Anything I can do to teach him to move into a canter without having to ask 10 million times? I would like him to canter when I ask not just trot faster. Even on a lunge line. I have never had a horse that would not move into a canter.
You have to make it NOT an option, to not listen to you. Carry a crop with you if you need. Ask him to canter as you normally would. If he does not respond within a stride or two, then ask him again. If he still does not respond within a stride or two, THEN use that crop to get his butt moving.

Now please keep in mind that you need to get him in shape properly too. If he's out of shape and just wants to speed up at the trot instead, he sounds unbalanced and unconditioned. Do lots of trotting (both jogging and extended) and lots of circles and bending, to get him better conditioned and those muscles in shape.
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    05-20-2013, 12:04 PM
  #10
Yearling
Okay thank you :). Barrel racing is so popular here and I know a few people so a person who can show me the right way won't be hard to find lol. Hopefully this new saddle fits better. Would it sliding back mean its too wide or narrow?
It's true if I were fat and out of shape, I'd be huffing and puffing lol. I was doing lots of circles at the walk yesterday with the paint. I was also chasing the neighbors annoying dog back to its house lol. What about some lunge work and hill work? We have hills. That saddle would be on his butt by the end of that! Lol
The black horse is out of shape Kind of but not lazy. He will go...and then huff and puff. Haha.
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