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    07-31-2013, 10:28 AM
  #1
Green Broke
New video critique - barrel racing

Okay guys. I think I'm doing a lot better for Red. Here's where we were for the last video critique:
Critique VIDEO - barrels and poles

Made a couple changes since then. Tried a Carol Goosetree bit (with a little bit of chain in the center of the two mouthpieces) and he's tossing his head WAY less. I like this bit.

I also changed my approach to the barrel a bit. I tried to head directly TOWARD the barrel. When I was close enough to start my pocket, I pick up on the inside rein, use my inside leg, and thus move him over and create bend in his body. I also make sure that I SAT BACK. To me it feels (and looks) like I'm trying to lay back in a recliner, but it seemed to work. Certainly a different riding style than I am used to, and it will take some getting used to.

I still feel like I'm doing something wrong on the first barrel, as he's drifting wide. I might need to give him a bigger pocket going in, but I may also need to "look" to my next barrel sooner so he feels my body looking that way.

On the bright side, he's figured out his flying lead changes!! Good boy. Although he did have a crossfire on our first gallop-through after he left the 2nd barrel, but I guess that's okay (hence why I took him down to a trot on that one.)

Anything else you guys see I need to be doing different with my body? Red tries so hard for me; I've gotta get myself together.


Here's the new video:

     
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    07-31-2013, 12:18 PM
  #2
Yearling
Your second and third look much better. The first he still doesn't look like he's setting up for, and coming off wide. Could be do to his joints?

You can try giving him a bigger pocket, although he appears to have a big enough one as is. I would take one barrel and set it in the middle of the pen and go at it as a first barrel so your not having to go the whole pattern. Or also take the 3 barrels and line them in a row and turn them all the same way. Also put your outside leg into him turning, or kick with it. You want him heading for the second barrel as soon as he comes off the first. Your riding looks fine, although I could hear you praising him but never heard a cue to rate. He's not a ratey horse so you may have to check him going into the first barrel, a simple bump and release to remind him to set up. He's getting better, just fix the first barrel.
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    07-31-2013, 12:38 PM
  #3
Trained
His first barrel is w.i.d.e.

Are you half-halting him going into your first pocket? He just looks like he's blowing you off and really needs to be checked into place. And then he's coming out wide. Hold that outside leg on him!

Try going into your pocket, getting to the backside of the barrel, slowing him and then doing a rollback so he's on his butt and after his rollback he's right next to the barrel and ready to go to the 2nd barrel. My moms horse did extremely well with that exercise and he's built alot like red.

You really need to use your outside leg to hold him from bowing out on you. If you need to, sidepass him back over. It doesnt matter how big you make his pocket, he is not completeing the turn.

The 2nd barrel is better, but he is majorly, majorly, majorly dropping his shoulder. His face is inches from the dirt.

He is not using his butt at all in his turns. Not at all.

3rd barrel, still dropping his shoulder although it appears better then the 2nd barrel.
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    07-31-2013, 01:54 PM
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Green Broke
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Originally Posted by BarrelRacer23    
Your second and third look much better. The first he still doesn't look like he's setting up for, and coming off wide. Could be do to his joints?

You can try giving him a bigger pocket, although he appears to have a big enough one as is. I would take one barrel and set it in the middle of the pen and go at it as a first barrel so your not having to go the whole pattern. Or also take the 3 barrels and line them in a row and turn them all the same way. Also put your outside leg into him turning, or kick with it. You want him heading for the second barrel as soon as he comes off the first. Your riding looks fine, although I could hear you praising him but never heard a cue to rate. He's not a ratey horse so you may have to check him going into the first barrel, a simple bump and release to remind him to set up. He's getting better, just fix the first barrel.
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Yea, I maybe just do need to check him more. That might help.

I don't believe it is his joints. At least he has not shown any outward signs since having time off, bute, and corrective front shoes. I've been very closely watching for that, but he's been doing great.

Last week on Wednesday, I did a 4-barrel drill with him instead of working the pattern (I do other drills to keep things interesting). I set the barrels up in a square and then do all rights or all lefts. To the left he did pretty good. To the right is a disaster. They looked like his first barrels! I kinda feel like he just hasn't figured it out to the right yet, just by how things have been coming along.

I do have a verbal cue for rate, and I do use it. I guess you can't hear it in the video. I'm much louder when I praise, haha. I should be checking him up more for my first barrel though. I watched my slo-mo version again and he's not shortening his stride at all to collect. Guess he's not going to turn it if he's not ready for it.

Yes, I'm thrilled with the rest of his pattern and the fact that he's finally figured out he needs to change his leads. Now just have to focus on that first barrel.


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Originally Posted by CLaPorte432    
his first barrel is w.i.d.e.

Are you half-halting him going into your first pocket? He just looks like he's blowing you off and really needs to be checked into place. And then he's coming out wide. Hold that outside leg on him!

Try going into your pocket, getting to the backside of the barrel, slowing him and then doing a rollback so he's on his butt and after his rollback he's right next to the barrel and ready to go to the 2nd barrel. My moms horse did extremely well with that exercise and he's built alot like red.

You really need to use your outside leg to hold him from bowing out on you. If you need to, sidepass him back over. It doesnt matter how big you make his pocket, he is not completeing the turn.

The 2nd barrel is better, but he is majorly, majorly, majorly dropping his shoulder. His face is inches from the dirt.

He is not using his butt at all in his turns. Not at all.

3rd barrel, still dropping his shoulder although it appears better then the 2nd barrel.
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I have done that rollback drill before, and I certainly can do more of it.

He's dropping his shoulder in his 2nd and 3rd barrel? Sorry, but I don't see it. Can you tell me the time on the video where you see that? He does "drop down" to turn the barrel, but I kinda feel like that is his style, because I don't see him actually dropping a shoulder; his whole front end goes down to turn. His shoulders stay level to each other.

Why do you say he's not using his butt in the turns? I don't see that either. Again, can you pinpoint on the video where that is happening? I know he does not naturally work off his hind end, so it's always been something I have to watch him on.

THIS is him not using his hind end. (and doing the pattern rather wretched, I might add )

But I feel he's really come a long way and I think he IS using his butt now. I've just gotta figure his first barrel out.
     
    07-31-2013, 02:02 PM
  #5
Started
When you lope it, with your body position coming up to the barrel, he should be sliding to a stop.
I'm not seeing a lot of rate on that first barrel, and I'd really like to see some more snap to come off of it better.

As for the other two barrels, he's looking like he really just wants to throw himself and dive into those turns.
How does he do loping spirals?
     
    07-31-2013, 03:46 PM
  #6
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by QHriderKE    
When you lope it, with your body position coming up to the barrel, he should be sliding to a stop.
I'm not seeing a lot of rate on that first barrel, and I'd really like to see some more snap to come off of it better.

As for the other two barrels, he's looking like he really just wants to throw himself and dive into those turns.
How does he do loping spirals?
Stop? What on earth is that? Red doesn't like stop.

But how can I explain this .... yes, I am leaning way back, but I'm not asking him to stop, so he doesn't. I guess he just knows the difference for when I really want a stop out of him, because he has no problem stopping right now when I sit to ask him to stop. If that makes any sense at all. But I do agree, I need more rate on that first barrel and more collection coming into it.

Spirals he lopes just fine. I can move him in and out with my leg. (although sometimes he chooses to ignore it like on our first barrel) That's kind of his way of "getting out of work". He'll pretend he doesn't know how to do something. And sometimes he will try to drop a shoulder to get out of work, but I make him keep going and do it right and then he "gives in" and does it right. I guess I'm not super concerned about his first barrel right now, because I know we will figure it out eventually; hence why I didn't stop him and physically move him over on the first barrel. Pole bending, on the other hand, if he gives me a bad weave, his booty gets stopped and OVER we go. Less room for errors on poles.

I just feel like his turn style IS "dive-like". The handful of times he has given me a snappy, hard turn, it was amazing. And his front end was very low.

When we were done working the barrels and poles last night, I thought I'd let him have some fun and get some speed. I just did a speed dash, where you run down, turn the 3rd barrel and run back. I gave him the little cue I do to run, and that little stinker. He kinda threw his head in the air, pushed off (made himself cross fire in the process) to start running, and when he got to the barrel, he literally DUG himself around that barrel. He was just starting to turn it and I'm thinking "Crud, hang on, it's going to be a hard one!". So grabbed my saddle horn to stabilize myself. His front end got nice and low like he usually does making a hard turn, although he did slip. Slipped just enough for his head to go down and the reins to pull out of my hands, but he jumped right back up (bucked actually, little schiester .... his bucks are pretty pathetic though) so I grabbed the reins again and off for home we went. Basically, he was totally goofing off! I guess I'm glad he had fun, haha. Then I made him trot it real nice and relaxed after. But aside from his having fun ..... he can turn. Hard. And his front end drops when he does it. Not like he's dropping a shoulder and going to cut a barrel or blow a barrel, but it just seems to be what he does. Wish I would have had the camera on for that one.

I suppose I could try to keep more direct rein contact during the turn to "hold him up" but I'm undecided if I want to, because I don't want to mess with how he is, if that is indeed the case.
     
    07-31-2013, 03:50 PM
  #7
Yearling
I think he is a horse you are going to have to drill rate into, and bring on slower than most. Alot of times once I get a horse loping when practicing ill trot once maybe, then lope through and stop an back up at each barrel once or a few times, then lope a whole set. Alot of it's just going to be reading your horse. Some horses are ratey as can be and have to be pushed from the start, others take more time. A horse I started reminds me of Red, except he was bad at left turns and coming off the second wide. Rollbacks off the fence helped along with alot of outside leg use.
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    07-31-2013, 03:50 PM
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Trained
Maybe what QHRider said is what I'm seeing. How he is diving into the pockets. It appears he is dropping his shoulder, but, that could be how his style is. II'm not on him so I can't feel for myself how a turn like that feels.

And by not using his butt, I'm not seeing that "whoa" and collection going into the pocket. And then there's the dive around the barrel. He seems so heavy on his front end.

Is he butt high by chance? Or fairly level?

I do see lots of improvement overall. And I'm glad he feels much better!
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    07-31-2013, 04:01 PM
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Green Broke
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Originally Posted by BarrelRacer23    
I think he is a horse you are going to have to drill rate into, and bring on slower than most. Alot of times once I get a horse loping when practicing ill trot once maybe, then lope through and stop an back up at each barrel once or a few times, then lope a whole set. Alot of it's just going to be reading your horse. Some horses are ratey as can be and have to be pushed from the start, others take more time. A horse I started reminds me of Red, except he was bad at left turns and coming off the second wide. Rollbacks off the fence helped along with alot of outside leg use.
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Yes, I have been bringing him along VERY slowly. He's needed a lot of work in general since I bought him last year in May. You can see my video from last year .... yuck! He's so much more calm and "broke" this year; can't wait to see what he'll be like next year.

And I do not do the pattern very much with him. I don't want to over-do it. He'd be the type that you could over-do it with him. What you see in the video is what I did with him for the barrels, except I did do one more walk-through before the last lope. That's it.

This was actually only the second time I worked on barrels since my last video (shows how much was my rider error).


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Originally Posted by CLaPorte432    
Maybe what QHRider said is what I'm seeing. How he is diving into the pockets. It appears he is dropping his shoulder, but, that could be how his style is. II'm not on him so I can't feel for myself how a turn like that feels.

And by not using his butt, I'm not seeing that "whoa" and collection going into the pocket. And then there's the dive around the barrel. He seems so heavy on his front end.

Is he butt high by chance? Or fairly level?

I do see lots of improvement overall. And I'm glad he feels much better!
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He is front-endy. Very much so. It's not natural for him to use his butt effectively, so that's been one thing I stress a lot with him.

Nope, he's pretty level. But he is "built heavy" in his front end.
     
    07-31-2013, 04:02 PM
  #10
Trained
.........I guess I'm not super concerned about his first barrel right now, because I know we will figure it out eventually.......

Im going to politely disagree with this. In my opinion, your first barrel is what is going to make or break your pattern. You need to drill perfection into him for his first barrel as its going to set you up for a good or bad pattern.

For some reason, the first barrel is always the PITA one.

If he makes a mistake there, you need to fix it so he knows where he went wrong. No sense in creating bad habits from the get go. Its MUCH easier to fix something small, then go back months later and get frustrated trying to fix something that has slipped through the cracks. (I know you know that though...)

Perfection, perfection, perfection.
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