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    05-03-2013, 08:22 PM
  #1
Foal
Question Polebending Problems!?

I've been working with my mare on pole bending for a few weeks now. She's 7 years old and we've got the pattern down at a trot. I know how to to the pattern, but she does not. Tonight was a very off night and we ended up fighting the whole way through the pattern more than once.

Sometimes we'll go through the pole pattern, and she is perfect. Other times, she seems to get very up tight and instead of weaving the poles, we do more of a zig-zag pattern- she swings her rear quarters out really far and stays like that until I cue her to weave the second pole.

At the end pole where you circle it and begin to weave back, she always tries to canter around it ( Note: I have not cantered this pattern with her yet ). Tonight I tried to slow her down then and she went very wide and acted like she was going to take off. I circled her a few times and tried to get her started where we had messed up but she just started acting up again and we ended up fighting each other.

Is she just being feisty or is this something else? This is the only pattern that we're having issues with- the rest she does fine without issues. We ride almost every night but have only works on the pole pattern fo rthe past 3 days( including tonight) after a week off because we had to euthanize her pasture pal and knew she was going to be upset for a few days.

P.S- Last night we trotted the pattern two or three times with long breaks in between without fighting each other and having her act up. Why was today's rise so opposite?
     
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    05-03-2013, 10:01 PM
  #2
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Baylee    
I've been working with my mare on pole bending for a few weeks now. She's 7 years old and we've got the pattern down at a trot. I know how to to the pattern, but she does not. Tonight was a very off night and we ended up fighting the whole way through the pattern more than once.

Sometimes we'll go through the pole pattern, and she is perfect. Other times, she seems to get very up tight and instead of weaving the poles, we do more of a zig-zag pattern- she swings her rear quarters out really far and stays like that until I cue her to weave the second pole.

At the end pole where you circle it and begin to weave back, she always tries to canter around it ( Note: I have not cantered this pattern with her yet ). Tonight I tried to slow her down then and she went very wide and acted like she was going to take off. I circled her a few times and tried to get her started where we had messed up but she just started acting up again and we ended up fighting each other.

Is she just being feisty or is this something else? This is the only pattern that we're having issues with- the rest she does fine without issues. We ride almost every night but have only works on the pole pattern fo rthe past 3 days( including tonight) after a week off because we had to euthanize her pasture pal and knew she was going to be upset for a few days.

P.S- Last night we trotted the pattern two or three times with long breaks in between without fighting each other and having her act up. Why was today's rise so opposite?

It is really hard to say without a video...do you think you could get somebody to video you going through?

And some horses will test you because they "think" they know what they are doing. But for a horse who is wanting to swing their butt/hip I will push that hip in and ask for their face (so they are in a C shape in the position they are supposed to be), does that make sense? And if they keep doing it and just flipping you the hoof I will get a little rougher, I will push that hip in. Then I will back a couple steps and make them counter arc and back a couple more steps so they know that hey pay attention to ME.

So has she done this with anything else you have worked her on? She just might be in that "teenage stage" I have gone through it more than once with horses....and she is at that age where some think they know more than you so don't need YOUR help lol.
     
    05-04-2013, 12:20 AM
  #3
Trained
Continuing on what Bailey said, getting this horse soft and making her give you a soft response is going to be a key when they start to get a little, erm... "cracky" as we say at the barn.

When she tried to canter, shut her down instantly, back her up AROUND the pole. This will simultaneously push her hip in as well as backing her off your hands and the pattern.

When she swings her hip, stop and push it back in. Get her really sensitive to it. With horses that blow their hip I like to work off the pattern as well, teach them it's NEVER okay to do it. Walk a circle and push that hip up under them. Sidepass in a circle. Little things like that.

Another thought is, are your hands pushing her out? Remember your hands often have a direct line to her hip. If you are using your hands incorrectly, it will cause her to blow her hip. Remember, it's nothing more than a gentle "lift" when your horse's shoulder gets to the pole. It will create a little room for your leg. Think lift the shoulders in a line instead of pulling her in through the poles.

I agree, I'd love to see a video.
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    05-04-2013, 06:51 AM
  #4
Foal
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Originally Posted by BarrelRacingLvr    
It is really hard to say without a video...do you think you could get somebody to video you going through?

And some horses will test you because they "think" they know what they are doing. But for a horse who is wanting to swing their butt/hip I will push that hip in and ask for their face (so they are in a C shape in the position they are supposed to be), does that make sense? And if they keep doing it and just flipping you the hoof I will get a little rougher, I will push that hip in. Then I will back a couple steps and make them counter arc and back a couple more steps so they know that hey pay attention to ME.

So has she done this with anything else you have worked her on? She just might be in that "teenage stage" I have gone through it more than once with horses....and she is at that age where some think they know more than you so don't need YOUR help lol.

No, she only acts like this when we're working with the poles. All the other patterns are fine and she can do them no problem. Do you think she may be scared of the poles themselves? She doesn't mind riding past them or weaving them but one blew over while riding past it the otherday making her move sideways really fast- when I circled her she reared a little but not in an aggressive way before giving in and calming down.

I can try to get a video for you guys but I might take a day or two just because we're busy.. And I'll need somebody to hold the camera xD


Sorrel Horse- I'm not realyl sure if I'm pushing my hands in. I haven't really paid attention to it when going through the pattern. Hopefully getting a video will shed some light on things! ;)
     
    05-04-2013, 11:41 AM
  #5
Started
Just from your description, and not having seen a video, here's what I would try.

Trot to just past the 5th pole and stop. If she stops nice and straight, and doesn't fall on her forehand, let her sit for a minute. If she's not using her hind end when she stops, back her up as soon as she stops to get her weight on the hindquarters, and let her sit for a minute. Walk around the end pole.

You can do this while walking or trotting the weaving portion. As soon as the pole is at your leg, stop. Pay attention to where all parts of her body are. If anything is out of place, back her up and correct it. Rinse and repeat.

I use just enough inside rein to tip the nose toward the pole, and just enough outside rein to keep from over-flexing. I steer more with leg, as I want my horse to stay as straight as possible while going through the poles.
     
    05-05-2013, 09:14 PM
  #6
Green Broke
Main thing => Do NOT let her do these things.

If her hip swings out, push it back in .... and then some.

If she breaks into a canter, stop, back, and back some more. And then trot around that end pole 5 or 6 times.

If she throws her head, make her give, give, give her nose .... and then some.

If she doesn't listen to your legs (and zig zags instead of bending/weaving), over exagerrate it and make her listen listen listen and soften up.

But if she does something right, praise! And leave her alone.

And if she does it right on the first run through, don't do the pattern again. However, if she messes up, keep working on components until you end on a good note.

I'm working with Red with a reining trainer right now, and she's really pointed out to me that he's a good horse, but he will try to sneak his way out of work by dropping a shoulder, or sticking his nose to the outside, or losing cadence, etc. But you've just got to keep on him until he "gives in" and does it right. Then leave him be so he still enjoys his job!
     
    05-06-2013, 02:36 PM
  #7
Weanling
This doesnt really have to do with the actual problem you're describing. But you say you've been working on poles the last few weeks. Have you been working on poles everyday? If so I find this causes more problems. I try to break things up and make things un and different. I trail ride at least three times a week, sometimes more. Once or twice a week I do bending flexing, moving off my leg a little dressage work. I throw different patturns in there, patturns that don't exist, serpintines, bigger to smaller and back again circles. Horses get bored doing the same over and over again, and if, theyre having a really hard time with something, and you just keep pushing it, sometimes this makes it worse. All this stuff will help your horse become better at what you're trying to accomplish.
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    05-20-2013, 01:13 PM
  #8
Foal
Before every end pole stop at your pocket and back 3 steps, it will get her rating and using her hind end. If she blasts off keep circling it with stopping and backing until she relaxes, also never leave a turn faster than you came in and never ever run home in the practice pen
     
    05-20-2013, 01:14 PM
  #9
Foal
Also to continue working but not sour her, go in a pasture and use trees as poles, she wont connect the 2
     

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