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post #11 of 16 Old 01-04-2013, 02:07 AM
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I wont use a tie-down or bonnet unless I have too - sadly most of my horses run a better pattern with one than without - but can all run without. ANYWAY... I'd use a bonnet on a horse that pops up out of his turn instead of driving forward out of it. If you watch Duke run barrels he's very stiff/straight when leaving and I think (just from observation) that without it he would loose a lot of drive and forward - without it he'd shoot more up than out. If that makes sense? I believe Jane Melby may have used one on Beauty at one point as well. Sometimes people use them as crutches/to hide holes. But with Duke I dont think it has to do with lack of training, some horses just run a different pattern.

I think Lance Graves talks about this in one of his DVD's (1st one I believe)- dont quote me on it though.

Just like with all things, use it properly and honestly and you wont have a problem.

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post #12 of 16 Old 01-04-2013, 02:09 AM
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I would personally not use one on my horse for barrels, but I think I've heard that tie downs can be useful for balance when occasionally worn for cutting? From what I remember, they were recommending tie downs used selectively and seldom to help a horse who already knows how to balance, balance even better but not to use it as a training crutch. Has anyone read the same article? No idea where exactly it was from.
I doubt it was for cutting - roping possibly??

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I wont use a tie-down or bonnet unless I have too - sadly most of my horses run a better pattern with one than without - but can all run without. ANYWAY... I'd use a bonnet on a horse that pops up out of his turn instead of driving forward out of it. If you watch Duke run barrels he's very stiff/straight when leaving and I think (just from observation) that without it he would loose a lot of drive and forward - without it he'd shoot more up than out. If that makes sense? I believe Jane Melby may have used one on Beauty at one point as well. Sometimes people use them as crutches/to hide holes. But with Duke I dont think it has to do with lack of training, some horses just run a different pattern.

I think Lance Graves talks about this in one of his DVD's (1st one I believe)- dont quote me on it though.

Just like with all things, use it properly and honestly and you wont have a problem.
Brittany only occasionally uses on one Duke.....very rarely does she put it on him. She did 1 round I believe this year at the finals. But she normally doesn't use on on him.

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post #14 of 16 Old 01-04-2013, 08:34 PM
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BarrelRacingLvr: Right! I guess I kinda made it sound like she always ran in it -OOPS. Not what I ment! :)
I really dont watch him a whole lot - just not one of my favs.

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Regular tie-downs have their place, but they are like so many other legitimate pieces of tack...they get a bad name from the clueless people who use them wrong.

Simple fact is, if anyone is using a tie-down to keep their horse's head down or keep them from flipping their nose or stargazing, then they are using it wrong...period. Tie-downs are designed to give a horse something to brace against to maintain balance and strength in a hard turn or stop...like what's seen in barrels and roping events. As Beau159 said, some horses do better with them and others do better without.


NOW, back to the war bonnet debate. IMHO, those are nothing more than a gimmick designed to cover up a serious training problem. I have never seen one used that wasn't made from thin gauge wire, thin enough to cause serious pain whenever the horse puts pressure on it. So, it's only purpose is to force the horse to keep his head down to avoid the pain of it pulling on his poll and forehead.

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Really have never seen one without. I use a nylon one every once in a while as a reminder. The nylon one is the same width as a halter.
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