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post #1 of 10 Old 01-10-2013, 08:39 PM Thread Starter
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Post Rate issues and 2nd barrel issues!

Hey everybody! I have been working on my AQHA mare I have had for about a year now. When I got her she was not really what I would call "broke" or "trained", more like green. Basically, you could throw a saddle on her and have no steering or breaks. So, I had her put into reining training with Stacy Westfall methods. So, now she has an excellent slide stop, turns on her haunches and forehand, bends, and real sensitive. She got put onto barrels probably about 8 or 9 months ago. Well anyways, to get to the point, I have a trainer work with me Mondays and Thursdays and she has said she is ready to add speed. Well, she is a push style horse it seems like so far but not telling yet, she used to rate down about 10-15 feet before our 1st barrel and come off with ONLY a lope and wouldn't speed up to second and then to 3rd, she would run there and run home. So, my close barrel racing friend and trainer suggested spurs and my whip. Well, she hates the whip and if I kick and whip, she slows down. Once I tryed spurs, she was perfect all through the pattern except going to 2nd. So any suggestions on drills or anything I can do to fix it? I'm not asking for some big gallop, all I'm asking out of her is a bit of a faster lope. To clarify, she utd on chiro, teeth, and vet. She isn't a bleeder, we already ruled that out. So any opinions would be great.(:

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post #2 of 10 Old 01-10-2013, 09:06 PM
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Jumping to a whip and spurs is only going to make the horse stressed and feel pressured. I have a gelding who had NO IDEA how to run. So I started asking him to stretch in our bottom pasture (have a sand track) and encouraged him (not kicking, whipping, ect.) he ran with his head in the air and was rougher then heck. But after about 5 days of that is head started to get lower, he relaxed into the gallop and figured out how to stretch out and speed up.

So I would get her freed up on a long straight stretch and just encourage, NOT kicking and whipping like a crazy person. Let her pick her speed the first couple times and she will soon loosen up, lengthen, and the speed will fall into place.

Some horses just don't know how to run or feel pressured when asked and get confused.

Do you have any videos?

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post #3 of 10 Old 01-10-2013, 09:23 PM
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Agreed ^^^^.

Some horses need to LEARN how to run. I am a big advocate of breezing a horse, to teach them to stretch out and just plain GO. I also do not use whips or spurs during breezing. I let the horse go as fast as they want (controlled) and when they are trucking it, I squeeze my legs, kiss, and ask for MORE. On certain horses, I may pop them just once with the whip at that point, but only to see if they have any more to give, and not on every horse. You just kinda gotta know your horse.

I don't agree that your trainer has suggested whips and spurs. As stated above ^^^ it just pressures your horse. Would you want to run faster with someone kicking you with metal? Spurs are for lateral (left and right ) movement and control. They are not for forcing a horse to run faster.

Your horse may just need more TIME. So far you've been working on pefect patterns. Now she needs to figure out that Hey! I can go faster. And breezing will help with that.
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Thanks! Forgot to mention that! I breeze my barrel horses once a week on Thursday but I breeze her two-three times a week on one about a quarter mile stretch. Se runs just fine everywhere else and she will fast lope her whole pattern except when she goes to second barrel. Yes, I have a video. I will post it when I get on a computer!(:

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How are you setting yourself up on the way to the second barrel? It could be something as simple as your physical position.

If she knows how to run, and runs the rest of the pattern fine it may just be a little fine tuning on your part. Does she trot the pattern okay going to second? If not I'd break it down and see if you can figure out exactly why she's not going the way you want. Then introduce speed, and if you have been running perfect patterns like Beau said it will take TIME.

Some barrel horses get up to speed and are running great patterns right away and some take time to fall into a groove. A video would be GREAT help as well. Good luck!

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If she's scotching on you, something is missing, perhaps giving her more time and less running the barrels. Have you perfected the pattern at the walk? Numerous repetitions don't teach but putting her away when something is well done is a huge reward. Often more is learned within 10 min. Than an hour.
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Thanks (: well my schedule on her is round pen warm up (rollbacks, stopping, leads) for 10-20 mins when I get on then we long trot 1/4 mile and lope a 1/4 mile, then we work on barrels for 15 mins (slow work and drills) then we lope once sometimes then I trail ride her. Also, I work on barrel Mondays, Wednesday, and Fridays(: sometimes one Monday and Wednesday. Yes, she can walk trot and slow lope a BEAUTIFUL pattern.
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Well everyOne I'm very pleased with her. Took her to her first barrel race and loped barrels and got a 20.3 and she ran a 31 on her first pole run and then we did another pole run and ran a 26.2!(:
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Glad she's working out!
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post #10 of 10 Old 01-15-2013, 08:35 PM Thread Starter
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