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    10-14-2011, 02:52 AM
I definitely did not read any of the replies so sorry if I'm repeating anything;

Rebel, my gelding, is this same way when I got him. What I would suggest, when you go the barrel pattern, hold her back always. When she gets hot, do a one-rein stop until she chills and then release. When she relaxes, go out and walk the pattern. If she's getting hot around the turn, make her keep turning and only let her drive out when she loosens up and relaxes.

If she's pulling you through the gate too, practice just walking back and forth, in and out of the arena. Make her think the second she goes in, she's not going to run, she's going to turn and come right back out!

Walk circles...Perfect circles. Nose tipped, shoulder up, inside leg up under her, same distance away from any given point the entire time. Remember; You can do perfect circles all the time or you can fly out at Mach 5 from a gate and blow every barrel out like a freight train trying to turn a 180 - It won't happen on a dime without first there being a gradual build! Not only will this help you and Gidget turn better, but just doing a lot of slow work will benefit the spazz attacks.

You could also reinforce her rate. Just stop next to the barrel at your rate point and make her stand there. Once she masters standing still at that point, go ahead and walk a couple circles. If she gets hyped again, keep her circling, encouraging her to drive into her bridle and flex her mouth to your rein.

You could always just mix up the barrels. Three point, cloverleaf, Boxes, a streak pattern....Don't let her associate the pattern with running.
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    10-14-2011, 03:00 AM
Green Broke

I will try all of that. That helped a lot! I saw people trot up and then stop by the barrel and wondered why..I didn't know why so I didn't do it,lol but I did do lots of trotting and walking and just practicing in general. Once I felt like things were going decent I did run them. When she had her spazz attack I did a one rein stop a few times and then just kept doing some circles with her....I will try all the stuff you told me to. I think it will work with should come to JoCo or if I go to yours county we should meet up and you can help me train.
    10-14-2011, 03:06 AM
I would absolutely love to! I'm marking Sherriffs Possee on my calender and am going to try and work up a schedule for it, and of course I'll be at TDSC November 5th if you planned on going.

Though I must warn you - I'm a terrible teacher in person. Lol. I sound a lot better than I actually am when I have time to think about what I'm saying and not just say the first reaction that comes to my mind.
    10-14-2011, 03:09 AM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by SorrelHorse    
I would absolutely love to! I'm marking Sherriffs Possee on my calender and am going to try and work up a schedule for it, and of course I'll be at TDSC November 5th if you planned on going.

Though I must warn you - I'm a terrible teacher in person. Lol. I sound a lot better than I actually am when I have time to think about what I'm saying and not just say the first reaction that comes to my mind.

I can try and come to the TDSC. That would be a lot of fun. I wan to join the sherriffs Possee so badly. I love their drills..I like doing drills..they are a lot of fun.

I am a terrible teacher as well. But hey,who knows maybe you think you are horrible and really you aren't! Just as long as your not rude than I will think you are awesome for life.
    10-14-2011, 03:16 AM
I try my best not to be rude....But I did learn from a woman who once threatened to shove a wonder-blue shampoo bottle down my throat. It's such a hostile environment...LOL.

TDSC is a great place to start. The environment is very low-key and everyone is very friendly....Probably the most relaxed gaming club you'll find around here. That, and the events are FUN. This months "Mystery event" is the sidewinder, which is just a sideways speed barrels.

That will be my first time ever competing on my barrel mare so we'll see how ridiculous we turn out.
    10-14-2011, 03:20 AM
Green Broke
Oh I AM GOING! the heck do you do a sidewinder? how to you start if they are sideways?

Eh,all of us can be rude. I have been told I'm rude so if you are rude I will let you know =D I'm good at being shampoo bottle?..ouch,lol
    10-14-2011, 03:21 AM
Green Broke
I'm excited.You can meet Gidget.She's the best. You will like her. She was talking in the arena to a gelding today..he and his owner rode outside and apparently she thought he was a stud muffin. She wouldn't stop calling for him and I was like "Gidget,you don't even know him..stop"
    10-14-2011, 05:03 PM
Yay! I'm excited for it - Last one of the season and I haven't got to go at ALL this year. The summer as been painfully slow for competing.

As for Gidget, she looks like a character! I can't wait, and I promise I'lll wear ALLLL purple so you can spot me easily, if I don't spot you

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    10-16-2011, 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Gidget    
I've tried trotting and walking and it works...sometimes.

You've got to make it work ALL the time. Never quit asking for her to do something until she does it properly. AKA, never end a lesson without you "winning". She if you want her to walk, but she wants to prace, well then guess what? She's going to prance and prance and prance until she finally gives up and walks. You need to have the patience and consistency to get the response you want.

Originally Posted by Gidget    
Gidget is waaaay too hot. I have to hold her back or she will take off before I'm ready. She tosses her head if I don't let her go and I end up have to trot her in small circles.
Gidget has got your buttons. She's like a spoiled child that knows how to get what she wants. You need to not let her get away with it and you need to get control of her. Being "hot" has nothing to do with it. There is a huge difference between having a hot-and-out-of-control horse and having a hot horse that is attuned to the rider and ready for anything the instant the rider gives them a cue.

She should never be taking off running on her own without you cueing her to do so. If so, you should be circling her over and over until she stops and stands nicely when you ask.

Head tossing is never allowed. It's her throwing a temper tantrum and getting away with it. You should be using that snaffle bit to ask her to drop her head, give to the bit, and collect the rest of her body. You should be able to do this on a straightaway, although it is easier to teach going in circles. Do everything at the walk first, before moving to the faster gaits. Hold steady light pressure with both hands on the bit while at the same time lightly squeezing with your legs to drive her forward. Hold these cues steady until she gives you the right response (so do NOT squeeze or pull harder if she doesn't respond -- just hold steady). The very instant she stops fighting or throwing her head, release all your cues and allow her to walk on. That's her reward -- release of pressure. Then do it again. When she gets good at not fighting you, then start expecting her to actually drop her head a little. Keep your cues steady until she drops her head in the slightest bit. Then immediately release all your cues (reward). Your ultimate goal here is for her to collect, drop her head, and be soft on the bit whenever you give her that cue (light pressure on both reins and light pressure with your legs).

Originally Posted by Gidget    
She sees those barrels and she just wants to go....I am not sure if this is bad or good. I am glad she wants to go but don't want any accidents or have her become a nut case in the arena...she isn't hyper any other time just when she sees them.
There's nothing wrong with her getting excited for barrels. If you watch a good barrel horse, they are excited and on the muscle and ready to go. However, you will also notice that a good rider is always in 100% control of that good barrel horse. They're just putting that energy and drive to good use.

As I commented on your other post, at this point, the way she is excited is a BAD THING because you are the rider are NOT in control of her. You need to slow things down, and do slow work to get control, collection, and calm from her. Based on the videos on your other post, you are well on your way to her being one of those nut cases unless you take things back a few steps.

If she's hyper anytime she sees them, then you really need to capitalize on that by NOT always running them. If you end up running the barrels every single time she sees them (even if after you've done slow work first) she is going to associate that. So some days, do ONLY slow work -- no running. And some days, work in the arena with the barrels set up, but don't actually do anything with the barrels. Doing something else in the presence of the barrels will help her to realize she only needs to get excited about them when it is competition time.

Originally Posted by Gidget    
I feed her 1.5 lbs of alfalfa pellets a day. I have to feed her a simple diet because she colics all the dang time. I add her probiotics to this...I don't think this amount could make her hot.

While yes, their diet can clearly contribute to how "hot" they are acting, this is really irrelevant in my mind in this situation. Solely because YOU are letting her get away with bad behavior, so I see this are rider error, and not a problem on the horse's part. THere's nothing wrong with her being hot; it's what you do with it.

Originally Posted by Gidget    
I am using a snaffle..I hate pulling on her mouth.I tried a curb bit and she still doesn't do well in it...she responds a bit better but I prefer to use something that is more lateral.
You should not have to pull on her mouth with ANY bit.

"The bit is only as gentle as the hands behind it."

If you cannot control her in a snaffle (which you clearly are having problems with), then jumping to a stronger curb bit should NEVER EVER even cross your mind. Using a harsher bit to cover up a training issue is always going to backfire in your face down the road.

Overall, I think you need to stop working on the barrels for a while and just work on getting Gidget more broke in general. She needs to be light in the bit (and so do you) and responsive to all your cues (hands, voice, seat, leg, etc) no matter what you are doing. I could ramble on about exercises and things you can do but I honestly think the best thing for the both of you at this point would be to work hands-on with a trainer. There's only so much you can relay through a computer screen, that just doesn't cut it when it comes down to it.
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    10-16-2011, 03:47 PM
THANKYOU Beau for that post.

Its obvious in your other thread how much work Gidget needs...SLOW down and work on yourself too. She does look sore.

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