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    03-22-2013, 11:15 AM
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Green Broke
Staying away from the Tie Down?

So I have heard people say that they don't see tiedowns as a good thing. And people say they do? I don't quite understand why they see them as a bad thing?

What are advantages to a tiedown? Disadvantages? And WHEN would you think it would be time to put a tiedown on a horse? .. I see some people using them and they are so loose it doesn't do anything.. at all..

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Sorry if this a a stupid question lol.. Having a off not thinking day:)!
     
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    03-22-2013, 01:34 PM
  #2
Weanling
I have a few finished barrel horses and several others that I run, each one can run a great pattern without the tie-down. However, a few of them run BETTER with one because they will brace on it in their turns. One horse braces coming out of the turn and one going in. Like I said, they can run a great set without it, but they can run a better set with it.

I have an issue with slapping a tie-down on any horse because mostly people use them to cover up training issues such as, high head set, slinging head, or just because it matches their tack set. It shouldn't be used as a fix for training issues.. but to compliment an already finished and well-trained horse that knows it's job.
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    03-22-2013, 01:39 PM
  #3
Weanling
Never used one, don't see the need to. Mind you, I am not by any means "pro barrel-racer"!
     
    03-22-2013, 01:54 PM
  #4
Yearling
I personally find the whole balance a foofoo story....just not going to buy it lol. And that is about the only legit answer people have....or their horses heads are in the air.

A lot of tie-downs I see on horses...shouldn't be on because I see a underlying training issue.

I am probably just rambling.....but I do NOT like tie-downs...period. I did have TD on scrat for a couple months (ONLY when I ran...and it was NOT my choice...mother put her foot down and got tired of his nose in the air when I touched his face to move over). That didn't last long at all....but he was in a early midlife crises and his hormones were all over the place lol...he was a bit confused last year. This year I haven't put the TD on him and don't plan on too....

I find that their is ALWAYS a reason a horse is flipping their heads, taking their nose...ect. And a little digging and work you can fix that reason.

All TDs do is create a front endy horses because they are bracing so hard on the TD turning....and it also creates a stiff running horse, because they are going to be bracing.

That is JMO....
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    03-22-2013, 02:23 PM
  #5
Weanling
I welcome anyone that knows what they are doing to come and run any of my horses.. well 2 that use a tie-down. Run them without it and then run them with it. None of my horses have a nose in the air, head slinging, light on the front end problem, none of it. But the bracing thing is real, and it does help some horses. Sherry Cervi and Stingray for example. And even though none of my horses are NFR money winners... the two that use tie-downs use them because they run best with something to brace on either coming in or out of their turns.

Like I said, they can run fine without it, but their turns are better for the ones like like to brace on them. Both of the horses that run with a tie-down have no underlying training issues or holes or none of the crap other people use as a reason.

I've also found that even if a horse sticks it's nose in the air, a tie down is NOT and I repeat NOT going to fix that or help with a head set issue... all it's going to do is make a hole in training even bigger.
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    03-22-2013, 03:45 PM
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Yearling
I don't see them as a bad thing unless they are used wrong. Most don't understand the use for them and just slap them on their horse because they complete the look or to cover up traning issues. I'm on the fence about the whole balance issue and bracing with TDs in general. My horses run without them.

The only time I ever used one was when Charlie used to throw his head ALL the time. He could literally break my nose if he wanted to, I got countless bloody noses. Used the tie down for a few rides, realized it was wrong and fixed his holes the right way. That was when I first started riding and I don't really like to use them now, but I would if it really helped one of my horses run.

The horse should run fine without though, and have no holes in training before a TD is put on. They may run better with it, fine. I just hate when they're used as a cover up. Seen one to many horses explode because the TD was cranked tight and they were NOT ready to be running at shows, let alone in general.
     
    03-22-2013, 04:36 PM
  #7
Weanling
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Originally Posted by BarrelRacingLvr    
All TDs do is create a front endy horses because they are bracing so hard on the TD turning....and it also creates a stiff running horse, because they are going to be bracing.
This is what happened to my horse with one.^ I had a TD on my horse for awhile because I thought he needed it because he wasn't using his butt to get down around the turns and he turned better with it. Granted, it was so loose it wasn't doing much but it actually was a training issue. We went back and re-worked the basics and now he has absolutely no need for one. I can run barrels on him in a halter & lead plus he's going out and pulling checks now. Most of the time, it is a training issue!
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    03-22-2013, 04:39 PM
  #8
Started
The only places tie downs make sense is on finished rope horses, and maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe some finished barrel horses.
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    03-22-2013, 04:59 PM
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Yearling
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Originally Posted by QHriderKE    
The only places tie downs make sense is on finished rope horses, and maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe some finished barrel horses.
This! Very true.
     
    03-22-2013, 08:18 PM
  #10
Trained
I don't ever go to the tiedown unless I have to. I have, however, used it to balance up some horses on the barrel pattern and it has worked well. However, even the finished barrel horses I've had don't get the tiedown all the time. They'll get it to show in and maybe the day before a show. It's not tight either, it's just enough to give them something to reach for but not enough to constrict them.

Ruger is the one exception to my tiedown rule. I was tired of getting hit in the face. With him, it was learned habit and NOT a pain issue. A black eye, bloody nose, and a bloody lip later...I was DONE. Of course, I think once he is finished up he will be a horse to run in a tiedown anyway. He pushes out okay right now going slow, but once the speed is added I feel, from my standpoint, that he could benefit from one for the balance.

A horse that is soft in the face, well balanced, etc will never need one. One that is only running local playdays or gymkhanas loping around just for giggles will never need one. One that is only going slow will never need one. A horse who is so powerful they literally throw themselves off balance when they're trying to fire? They should have one, in neutral, to help them enhance their ability to push off.

I have never had a horse get heavy in the front end from a tiedown. A properly adjusted one should have NO effect unless the horse reaches for it. I ride the same way with a tiedown as I do without one, I expect going slow my horse to be rounded up and working from behind, soft in the face, etc. Just because there's a tiedown there, I don't stop riding and let them hit it constantly. They are only going to hit it when I go to one hand. They lose the support of my hand and get the support of the noseband instead.
     

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