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        03-17-2013, 01:44 PM
      #61
    Weanling
    That's assuming alot.

    I board at a ranch LOL.
         
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        03-17-2013, 01:46 PM
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    Originally Posted by 1RedHorse    
    That's assuming alot.

    I board at a ranch LOL.

    Do you board your horse at a ranch? Try running one..
         
        03-17-2013, 01:47 PM
      #63
    Weanling
    Wohooo round of applause to you!! ^^

    All I've been saying is RUNNING where did I ever say LOPING is bad??? I even stated that I do slow work on bad ground....please read for comprehension.
         
        03-17-2013, 01:52 PM
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    Originally Posted by 1RedHorse    
    Wohooo round of applause to you!! ^^

    All I've been saying is RUNNING where did I ever say LOPING is bad??? I even stated that I do slow work on bad ground....please read for comprehension.
    If that's what it takes to get you to calm down..

    The OP specifically said she was not running the pattern-- so im now confused as to why you think its bad to lope the pattern on the grass?
         
        03-17-2013, 01:55 PM
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    Originally Posted by Kelsie1    
    Ok so I don't have a dirt arena cause we don't have enough room for that so I just set my barrels up in the grass in the pasture and that's where I practice I mean I don't have a choice it's that or nothing and someone b*****d at me and said it's bad for the horses and I shouldn't be practicing on the grass, I've been doing it in the grass sence I started barrel racing ( 7 years ago) and it doesn't seem to bother my horses at all and I don't see what it's hurting it's not like I always run my horses on barrels anyways I do mostly walking and trotting and if I have a rodeo coming up I might run them not flat out just lope to make sure they don't need anything corrected...What do you all think?

    No one said anything about running in the grass-- I don't know where you got that from--hence my confusion..
         
        03-17-2013, 02:01 PM
      #66
    Weanling
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    There might be similar maneuvers in a XC course but you will never see a XC horse going as fast as they can and doing a complete 180 3 times in a row. Apples to oranges people.
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    Bahahahahaha....you people.
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    APPLES TO ORANGES PEOPLE.

    Every single discipline puts some sort of stress on a horses body. The entire point of this thread- is it bad to run barrels on grass. Not a pissing contest of which discipline is more strenuous on a horse.

    No, RUNNING barrels on grass is a very bad idea. I've used bad ground in slow work before but never to run. Like Barrelracinglvr said- it's horrible on their hocks and can teach bad habits like diving bc a horse has to compensate so their ass won't slip out from under them.
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    Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should.

    My open rodeo horse can run a pattern in the pasture and jerk a steer....doesn't mean Im enough of an idiot to do it even more than once LOL.

    So just because "this one time at band camp..." Something happened you're an expert on footing??! I've had horses fall on top of me from slipping....etc etc and I'm still smart enough to know a good dirt arena is healthier and more conductive ALL DAY EVERYDAY than grass LOL.

    Once again just because you're a badass and can "cut cows" on grass doesnt mean you should....and regularly RUNNING barrels on grass is NEVER something I would do.

    I board at a highly successful ropers barn....and he's not stupid enough either to rope on grass.
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    If I'm being snarky I apologize it just irks me that people have one or two experiences and BAM know everything.

    I've been doing this for 17 years and I'm still learning. Everyone is a pro on the Internet LOL
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    That's assuming alot.

    I board at a ranch LOL.
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    Originally Posted by 1RedHorse    
    Wohooo round of applause to you!! ^^

    All I've been saying is RUNNING where did I ever say LOPING is bad??? I even stated that I do slow work on bad ground....please read for comprehension.
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    Originally Posted by toto    
    If that's what it takes to get you to calm down..

    The OP specifically said she was not running the pattern-- so im now confused as to why you think its bad to lope the pattern on the grass?
    heres all my posts. Noticed I emphasized RUNNING. When did I EVER mention loping?

    My posts were more geared to others in the thread and the general public reading. Some greenie might think "hey people on the internet think its ok to run on grass so ill go do it!" when its a BAD idea.

    Why?
    -stress on joints
    -increased chance of slipping causing possible injury to horse and/or rider
    -teaches horses how to compensate thus increasing chances of diving...slicing barrels....horses be "front ended" etc
    -you don't run on grass so why practice on it?? 2 COMPLETELY different scenarios.
         
        03-17-2013, 02:14 PM
      #67
    Green Broke
    Easy guys.

    I think the heat of the discussion is stemmed from what's necessary versus what we can control for our horses.

    On a working ranch, yes, you will need to race across uneven, rocky, hole-filled ground to rope a cow or calf, and give it the treatment it needs. Safe? Absolutely not. Necessary? If you value your livestock, yes. I've gone racing after stray cattle in old sunflower fields, scared to death I was going to slice up my horse's legs, but when the cattle are going the wrong way to their summer pasture, you don't have much choice. Yes, it would be ideal to bring the cow home, put them in the nicely groomed arena, and rope them there. But on a working ranch, we know that doesn't happen.

    When you are voluntarily training your horse to run barrels, its not a good idea to set your barrels up in that same uneven, rocky, hole-filled grass ground. Yes, I realize that not everyone has access to an arena, but if you are serious about training for barrels and want to create the safest environment possible for your horse, grass is a no-no. I think we can all agree that dirt is better than grass when it comes to barrels and when it comes to an environment you can control at home.

    Of course, when you get to a rodeo, you cannot control the ground conditions. Yes, you always have the option to scratch, but who's going to want to do that when you just driven 200 miles and paid your entry fee? If it rained 2 inches on your way there, either scratch out, or go for it. If the rodeo crew didn't take care of the ground, and there's no footing, either scratch out, or go for it. No one is forcing your horse to run on unsafe ground, but that's part of mother nature and part of rodeo grounds, unfortunately.

    Of course you can still slip on a well-groomed arena. It's speed events; it happens. No one can dispute that. But when I am in a controlled environment at home where I practice, I am going to give my horses the best ground that I can when I train them for barrels: Safe, even,good dirt footing.

    Yes, some jumping events are held on grass, especially cross country where sometimes sharp turns are required. Ideally, I wouldn't want to jump on grass. But some courses are set up that way. And for cross country, it's not ideal to create miles and miles of "arena dirt" across the whole course. It's just not feasible. But alot of show jumping, including olympic show jumping, is often held in a dirt arena too.

    No one is saying accidents can't happen on good ground.

    No one is saying any discipline is more dangerous or strenuous than the other.

    And we all know that things are different on a working ranch where you've gotta get the job done now in the pasture, regardless of the footing.

    But when you have a controlled environment at home to practice team roping or calf roping or breakaway roping or barrel racing or any other rodeo event, or any other event for that matter (including jumping), why not set your horse up in the most safe environment you can provide? With good dirt footing that is taken care of.
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        03-17-2013, 02:20 PM
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    Originally Posted by 1RedHorse    
    heres all my posts. Noticed I emphasized RUNNING. When did I EVER mention loping?

    My posts were more geared to others in the thread and the general public reading. Some greenie might think "hey people on the internet think its ok to run on grass so ill go do it!" when its a BAD idea.

    Why?
    -stress on joints
    -increased chance of slipping causing possible injury to horse and/or rider
    -teaches horses how to compensate thus increasing chances of diving...slicing barrels....horses be "front ended" etc
    -you don't run on grass so why practice on it?? 2 COMPLETELY different scenarios.

    You know we were talkin bout loping-- why com in with some completely irrelevant information? It makes you look like a know-it-all.. im not tryin to be rude.

    Who would think that loping meant running? If a rider is so green they don't know what gaits are what chances are.. they probably not going to be running the barrel pattern anyway.. thanks for the forwarning though.

    Sweetheart, there is a lot of things that are stressful on the joints-- no amount of dirt can fix that.

    You can slip, and fall anywhere-- horses are dangerous, and unpredictable.

    Hahahaha!! Sorry, but that is absolutely un-true. I could see, if you rode with a tiedown, then yes, but grass practicing will result in the grass dying around the pattern, and dirt developing.. lol.

    To give your horse a different prespective, to keep the horse fresh, to show him not to be narrow minded, to keep him on his toes, to keep the pattern exciting, etcetera.

    :)
         
        03-17-2013, 02:28 PM
      #69
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    Im not makin fun of anything-- im just sayin' rodeo is the pretty versionof what really goes on.. and if my horse isnt sound enough to lope the warn in pattern in the grass lot, I sure don't want him to be rodeoing..
         
        03-17-2013, 02:28 PM
      #70
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by toto    
    You know we were talkin bout loping-- why com in with some completely irrelevant information? It makes you look like a know-it-all.. im not tryin to be rude.
    due to some comments...hence my post. I coulve chisen to go on a tirade about not running a finished horse haha
    Who would think that loping meant running? If a rider is so green they don't know what gaits are what chances are.. they probably not going to be running the barrel pattern anyway.. thanks for the forwarning though.
    touche
    Sweetheart, there is a lot of things that are stressful on the joints-- no amount of dirt can fix that.
    Go run on a track and an asphalt road. Which one will give you shin splints more quickly?
    You can slip, and fall anywhere-- horses are dangerous, and unpredictable.
    Agreed. But why make it more probable?
    Hahahaha!! Sorry, but that is absolutely un-true. I could see, if you rode with a tiedown, then yes, but grass practicing will result in the grass dying around the pattern, and dirt developing.. lol.
    No clue what you're referencing lol

    To give your horse a different prespective, to keep the horse fresh, to show him not to be narrow minded, to keep him on his toes, to keep the pattern exciting, etcetera.

    :)
    and to the last statement...thats why trailriding....gathering cattle etc are good for a barrel horse...not taking unneccessary risks such as running on grass ;)
         

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