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    06-12-2013, 01:32 PM
^^^^^ THAT!! ^^^^^^

I don't run, let alone start any barrel horse in a mechanical hackmore. I did 15 yrs ago, but I won't do it anymore.

A simple snaffle is all that's needed. Reinsman Sweet Iron Snaffle D-Ring Bit -

This is what I use, and I absolutely love it. The horse it has worked the best on was constantly tossing her head with or with out rein contact, and was always fighting the bit (before & after the teeth were checked).

After a short time of using that bit, and riding 90% with my seat, constant walk-stop-walk-stop, big circle-little circle, wallk - back up, circle - back up, and on and on was I able to start working at a trot.

I had to know that she would stop without me even touching her face. And she had to know that I wasn't going to rip on it. If she felt contact, it was for a reason.

The more seasoned racers, often times run in a combo. BUT, their horses can do everything in a snaffle.

So your answer to the hackmore question, unless there is a medical reason why the horse can't have a bit in their mouth, I would STRONGLY advise against using any type of hackmore. Period.
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    06-12-2013, 02:15 PM
Thank you for your explanation of the hackamore, however your evaluation of my personal experience is wrong, full of assumptions, ad offensive.

I agree, I don't want him started to actually running barrels yet. However, BIG circles, im talking meters, around the barrels, at a trot, not a big deal. Even according to my TRAINER.

This horse, stops on a dime, even from a lope. He backs evenly, if not quickly.

This horse and a bit......are right now, not a match. His previous owner was ROUGH with her hands. The horse has no topline, because riding meant gaping mouth, lolling tongue, giraffe moves. She stopped him with her hands at her shoulders. It was painfull to watch.

The first time I put this hackamore on him, it took an HOUR. He reared, he struck out, he wanted nothing to do with it. He heard jingles and said UH UH. She used to sedate him to tack him up, 13 pills to ride. The horse was a NUTCASE about tack, halters, etc after two weeks with her. She got his halter on, and it stayed on for 2 months at one poit because she "didnt want to go through the trouble of putting it on again" the horse had oozy sores from the nylon.

Its taken patience, practice and lots of time to get him to let me put that headstall over his head the first time.

He has come a VERY long way in four months. Between the teen girl, and myself. Also, this horse isnt going to "run" barrels. He's not going for a buckle, and probably will never see the rodeo pen. For fun, yes. To teach little kids (eventually, maybe) yes. He's going to have an easy relaxed life from now on. Mostly trails, some beginner english lessons, some beginner western pleasure and barrel lessons, MOSTLY my fiance's oversized dog/horse.

I appreciate FRIENDLY advice. But if your going to be demeaning, make assumptions, or just generally bash, can ya try to clean it up first?
    06-12-2013, 02:18 PM
Oh, and if anybody ca make a suggestion o a friendlier hack, that would be great.

Ad, if he ever does get switched to a bit, a full cheek plain ole snaffle will be what he's switched to.
    06-12-2013, 02:19 PM
IF he's horrid with having a bit in his mouth, check his teeth. A rope halter under an ill fitting hackamore is doing nothing but causing pain (the knots, leather in his eyes) You've only had him 2 weeks, correct? It's obvious in the pictures you've posted that he's hollow, and evading. Instead of trying to work him around barrels you ought to be restarting him as if he'd never been ridden, full dental check up, and a better fitting saddle.
    06-12-2013, 02:21 PM
His teeth were done on his ppe.
    06-12-2013, 02:24 PM
And, the saddle was checked o the same app. But he broke it a couple days ago. So im going to have the new one fitted.

He's hollow ad evaded because im not asking him to collect or use. Im asking him to respond my cues still. Ie, restartig him. As I've said, the circles around the barrels are LARGE. Nothing more than a medium circle.
    06-12-2013, 02:25 PM
Really guys, I havent take him as far as your assuming. He just stopped bucking at the canter last week. I mean, cmon......
    06-12-2013, 02:28 PM
You've had him two weeks correct? You've ridden him the entire time (by what you yourself have said) in two weeks, you're already trying to start him around barrels. You are a trainer correct? Why are you pushing him vs restarting him?
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    06-12-2013, 02:35 PM
Look into sidepulls, they make them with a rope or leather nose band. Or a little s or beetle hackamore, both should be easy to find at the local tractor supply store. I just wrap the nose band with vet wrap since the plain rope band irritated his nose skin. My horse wasn't started in his little s hack, but I can collect him, side pass, basically do anything in it.
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    06-12-2013, 02:36 PM
Ive been riding the horse on and off, the last four months. Theres another girl, good hands, nice rider, who also ridden him. When he was doing good, and his previous owner felt brave, she'd drug him, how heavily depending on how bad he was to halter. She'd hop on, he'd do his best impression of a giraffe.

Over the last four weeks, (the first two of which I did not own him, just rode him) he has been first lunged and bridle on/off on/off, then saddle, on/off, on/off. That was week one. Week two, I went back to what the teen had done. Walk, trot. Stop, back. Left, right. That was week two and half of three. Week four (last week) we began cantering. First three cantering rides, bucking. Last three rides, minimal discomfort. My trainer, who has been watching, and commenting his progress, though not doing any riding or real lesson times, agrees that he's doing fine. 30 days plus a week, he's in a good spot, for a horse who was previously well trained (the pleasure barn he was born at) restart enough?

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