Originally Posted by AnalisaParalyzer View Post
So, my fiance has stolen my horse. Hes decided hes fallen in love with toby, and that he will be his buddy, and help me turn him into a nice schooling barrel horse. We're not out for speed, just precision, ad if he ends up being fast, well awesome. YOUT GOAL
However, he wants to change his name to Skelator. o.0 ok,.... he needs a new registered name, which Fiance has decided will be "Skelatoryzer" since i told him it needed to fit with ParalyzingEquineINC.
so this thread will be about Toby, aka Skelator, ad his journy through retraining and becoming a barrel horse. YOUR GOAL
To catch you up, i bought Toby two weeks ago, from a woman who unfortunately had let him get into some very bad habits, and then let him get into pretty sad shape. he was bred at a pretty high end western pleasure/halter barn. shown in hand for a while, then turned out with a bunch of others until he was bought up by this woman. When he first got to DLF ( our barn) he reared, bit, bolted, and was MAJOR head shy. the woman who owned him ever really set limits, so his habits just got worse. He WOULD NOT tolerate a bridle, which she got on him by sedating him with 4 ace pills. the she rode him, ad eve sedated, he jigged, and wiggled and bolted. she hauled on his face, which made it worse. she gave up for a while, and a teen girl started working with him. she got the bridle on him, got him walking and trotting under saddle, she had beautiful light hands and a soft but demanding way with him. he responded well, ad after a couple weeks, the owner got back on, and he went right back into his frenzy. she decided he was not worth the training, and began dosing him with 10-13 ace pills every ride. O.O he still bolted, bit her, ad refused to work for her. so she bought another horse, and i picked up Toby.
well, since then, hes completed join up beautifully. ive discovered, he wants to be your friend. he now lifts all four feet for cleaning (trimming is a whole different ball game, he already broke my toe). i switched him to a fleece lined hackamore, and he does beautiful in it, eve lowers his head to put it on now (BIG change from rearing when he heard a bit jingling) he stops dead in it, and i see no reason to make him wear a bit. Out of curiosity, how much barrel experience DO you have? By this I mean running a full pattern, dealing with the adrenaline, etc. What is your reasoning behind not using a bit? A mechanical hack can be so much more severe than a simple bit. If you can get him to put his head down to put a hack on, you should be able to do it to put a bit in. If you can't get anything near his mouth, how are you going to worm him, or give him any oral meds?
His biting has gone down considerably, he'll still nip now and then, but hes pretty much decided its not worth the effort. the rearing has stopped for the most part. its still his first reaction to fear.
As for training, im pretty sure he was still drugged down the first two days i rode him, as he barely picked his feet up. third day, walking was great, he turned ok. trotting, he wiggled and wanted to go back to the gate ~ then he's not ready to trot, ESPECIALLY with a future barrel horse. It doesn't end well, I'm sure there's pictures/video of me a long time ago of what happens when you haven't addressed that issue more than once . we did some circles and figure eights and he got over it. i asked for a cater, just to see, and BOOM. out comes my brand new saddle bronc! so i rode it out, and he cantered a few strides, ad we called it quits. next day, we aimed for a lap around at the canter, each way, and after some more figure eights and circles trotting we went for it. half a lap of bucking and BULLSEYE. beautiful :) He IS NOT ready to canter OR trot. I can not stress this enough. You yourself said you want him to be a barrel horse in the future. If those are your intentions, and I'm assuming you want him to be a GOOD barrel horse, than WHY would you intentionally put HUGE holes in his training? This isn't just my opinion, but that of countless others who have exponential more experience than I.
so for the last two rides, we've been able to canter without bucking, both ways. we need to work on our right lead a little, but hes doig great. we aso started with tie straps in the round pen, trying to encourage a long low posture to help out his topline (not many hills here. florida)he's started to relax into it a little, but only time will tell. hes got a nice turn at the trot around the barrels.
BUT yesterday, i tied him off to annie to drag him through a trail or two for experience. we hadnt eve left the barn yet, but one of the woodshop guys started a lawnmower, and UP went toby. and RIP
went the whole horn and pommel of my saddle. clean off, and dragging behind him as he head for the hills before the scarey horrible lawn monster could get him. -.- sooo, now i need a new saddle.
And since I still can't figure out how to quote multiple posts, I'll just do it this way. Yes, you can use a side-pull. I have used it initially on horses that have their mouths torn to shreads by hard hands. Within a few rides, I'm in that snaffle. There is just so much more effective communication with the horse compared to a mechanical hack or even a side-pull. I don't think those 2 things are effective at all for communicating the skills necessary for running. And I haven't seen a good runner use either on a good horse.
You asked about hackmores, we've told you. A hackmore, any kind, isn't going to teach them what you want AT THIS POINT, plain & simple. The horses that I do see run with any mechanical hack (not talking about combos, which should be reserved for experienced runners) ARE the ones with the nose in the air, hollowed out, & evasive.
As far as circling the barrels, fine, you didn't make a turn, I got it. But there's SO much more that you need to work on. He looks like he has some SERIOUS potential, I would LOVE to have a horse like that now. WHY would you not want to train him, so that he can reach that potential?? If you just want to ignore me, that's fine. BUT you'll get the same from a lot of other racers here and in person......