Originally Posted by AnalisaParalyzer View Post
thank you for your explanation of the hackamore, however your evaluation of my personal experience is wrong, full of assumptions, ad offensive.
this horse and a bit......are right now, not a match. his previous owner was ROUGH with her hands. the horse has no topline, because riding meant gaping mouth, lolling tongue, giraffe moves. she stopped him with her hands at her shoulders. it was painfull to watch.
I don't understand. Have you tried putting a simple smooth mouth snaffle bit in his mouth? Have you tried to re-train him to accept the bit? The bit is only as harsh as the hands behind it (as you already know).
Again, in a restarting sense, I would pretend this horse is two-years-old and has never had a bit in his mouth. I'd go through "giving" exercises, backing exercises, ground driving exercises, etc etc to have a soft mouth horse before I ever climb aboard.
the first time i put this hackamore on him, it took an HOUR. he reared, he struck out, he wanted nothing to do with it. he heard jingles and said UH UH. she used to sedate him to tack him up, 13 pills to ride. the horse was a NUTCASE about tack, halters, etc after two weeks with her. she got his halter on, and it stayed on for 2 months at one poit because she "didnt want to go through the trouble of putting it on again" the horse had oozy sores from the nylon. its taken patience, practice and lots of time to get him to let me put that headstall over his head the first time. Then in the TRUE spirit of restarting, as someone mentioned earlier, what does he do when you put the halter on? (Much less progressing to a bit or hackamore) And possibly treat him as if he is an unstarted wild mustang?
i appreciate FRIENDLY advice. but if your going to be demeaning, make assumptions, or just generally bash, can ya try to clean it up first?
I don't coddle people. If that means you think I am offensive and mean, well so be it. I don't sugar coat things. You came on here asking for advice, and myself and others are giving it to you. (And I do detect some "snark" in some of your responses too, mind you.....) I'm sorry that we haven't patted you on the back and praised you to the high heavens, but you've got a lot of work on your hands.
Trust me. No one here is bashing you. But we don't poop rainbows either.
You ran barrels when you were seven years old
. My assumptions were perfectly correct. You are indeed not
familiar with training a barrel horse as I said earlier. (if you don't even know the difference between different bits, how can you properly train a horse for a precise event?). Sure, you may be offended by me saying it, but it is true. You'll come to realize that someday.
I've been barrel racing for 23 years. And I still don't know as much as some people about barrel racing. Even though I do know a lot, I am humble enough to admit I do NOT
know it all. But you can't seem to even accept the level you are at. There's nothing wrong with not being experienced. Everyone has to start somewhere. But don't act like a know-it-all.
If his teeth have been checked and are fine, then there is no reason you cannot try to get him to re-accept the bit. I would suggest something like:
But before you get to that point, you may want to further work on re-starting him.
How are his ground manners? Does he ever get into your space? Does he ever crowd you when leading? Does he ever refuse to pick up his feet? Can you "send" him anywhere? Can you lead him anywhere? Will he cross any ground obstacle willingly? Does he spook from plastic bags or flags? Does he panic from a rope around his butt or under his belly?
With a horse has been treated so badly for so many years by his previous owner, it is vitally important to do ground work exercises every single day to build respect and trust. I myself am a fan of Clinton Anderson's methods because I feel he explains things very well about what he is doing and why. Any horse (especially one with bad issues) can benefit from 15 minutes of ground work daily.
And with a horse like this, I'd be very careful about who you let handle him. If one thing is allowed to slide by, it may honestly set you back to square one, because it teaches him he doesn't have to listen to the leader all the time.
And your fiance needs to wear actual shoes around him. That's a good way to deglove the skin off your own foot. I've seen it happen. Safety first. And I'd be hesitant to let any children around him at this point (as in the pictures you posted). He has a long way to go and a child won't know how to properly correct him when he does something wrong; even on the ground. What if he tries to bite them? (You said his nipping problem is not gone yet.) And they don't correct him? You've just allowed him to get away with it, and at this point, that's a recipe to put him back to square one.
Honestly, I've very surprised you've picked this horse to be a lesson horse with his past. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it certainly is going to be YEARS down the road, and the issues will NEVER go away completely. You'll always have to re-enforce his "new" training with you, and he's going to test new riders that he hasn't gained respect for yet. So just a thought.....
I agree with the others that he should not be cantering at this point, much less trotting. You have got to teach him how to carry his body correctly at the walk first, and how to properly give to the bit. If you have to walk-only for weeks, then so be it. The old saying holds true: You have to walk before you can run. Even on my colts, I expect them to give them their nose laterally and vertically on their first and early rides, because I've given them the tools from the ground to do so.
Teaching a horse to give to the bit (especially if they have prior issues) is not easy to explain over the internet. I'm a little leery of the trainer you've chosen to work with if he says "you're doing fine" and allowed you to continue riding him in a mechanical hackamore over the top of a knotted halter, with a hollow back at the canter. I'd say get a new trainer. One that can show you how to get this horse soft in the bridle. It is all about precise timing. If you leave the pressure on too long, you've taught him to brace and ignore the cue. If you take the pressure off too quickly, you've taught him he doesn't have to do anything.